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To: Tau Food
I think that your argument is that there is something in the Declaration of Independence indicating that anytime any group of people decides that the government should buzz off, that the government has to respect their wishes.

Why do you keep trying to marginalize their rights with derogatories like "group of people". 9 Million is more than just a "group of people." It is nearly three times the 1776 population of all of the 13 colonies combined.

That's just not true and it never was true.

Not the way you present it, because you have simply put forth a "strawman". The right to Independence was true in 1776. It was still true "Four Score and Seven years later", but the Union chose to deliberately ignore it.

You can't just ignore the interests of everyone else involved.

You tell me who's "interests" got ignored in a manner differently from what the founders did, and you might have a point.

I notice that you simply won't answer the question about your concerns for the rights of British Loyalists in 1776.

907 posted on 08/03/2015 4:08:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why do you keep trying to marginalize their rights with derogatories like "group of people".

Well, with all due respect, you force me to say group of people because you never define what size or type of people are sufficient to have a God-given right to remove existing governments. Do you find some number in the Declaration of Independence? And, by what principle do you place a limit on that number - you know, for it to be a God-given right and all? This stuff isn't coming from the Declaration of Independence. It's coming from you.

You tell me who's "interests" got ignored in a manner differently from what the founders did, and you might have a point.

The movers and shakers who signed the Declaration of Independence did what they did without reference to the interests of the British government, the British people and every colonist who might have disagreed with them (whether they be Loyalists or not). Those interests were ignored. If everyone had agreed, there wouldn't have been a fight.

913 posted on 08/03/2015 4:20:00 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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