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9-23-15 | me

Posted on 09/23/2015 7:04:47 AM PDT by VaRepublican

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To: Cobra Scott

Statins are crap. They left me fagged out and headachy for 3 months until I quit taking them and looked up alternative stuff. Now my tests are uniformly good.


81 posted on 09/23/2015 10:09:36 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: Westbrook

Get D3 levels checked first....they should be between 50-70 if you are healthy (higher if you have heart disease or cancer)....THEN think about adding D3


82 posted on 09/23/2015 10:13:52 AM PDT by goodnesswins (hey..Wussie Americans....ISIS is coming. Are you ready?)
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To: Westbrook

Get D3 levels checked first....they should be between 50-70 if you are healthy (higher if you have heart disease or cancer)....THEN think about adding D3


83 posted on 09/23/2015 10:13:52 AM PDT by goodnesswins (hey..Wussie Americans....ISIS is coming. Are you ready?)
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To: VaRepublican

I’m 59. Not on any statin. They have bad side effects already mentioned. I’d decline.


84 posted on 09/23/2015 10:17:41 AM PDT by gattaca (Republicans believe every day is July 4, democrats believe every day is April 15. Ronald Reagan)
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To: KC Burke
USAF Dining Hall NCO. E-6. And commercial as well.

I'm missing a kidney, so I can't drink tea.

Because of brain surgery, aspirin is out of the question, too. I have no desire for a stroke from aspirin.

And why would I want to gain to hit 190 lbs. I'll stick with 130 where I feel good.

Different strokes for different folks, and one size never fits all.

/johnny

85 posted on 09/23/2015 11:11:01 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: VaRepublican

OK here I go again. I hope I can get some people to pay attention...

The cholesterol thing is nothing but a scam. The biggest scam ever perpetrated on the American consumer.

Cholesterol is required for your body to function properly. Required for proper function of the brain, to build strong cell walls/membranes and to convert sunlight into Vitamin D.

Slowly the information is getting out to the public, high cholesterol is not related to heart disease. In a couple of studies done a few years ago, people who died of heart attacks showed that just over 50% had low to normal cholesterol levels. More recent studies strongly suggest that older people with high cholesterol levels actually live longer.

Low cholesterol levels have been shown to be related to suicide, violent tendencies, psychological disorders.

Statins have some very alarming side effects, including loss of memory and muscle deterioration, which is the most common one. (that’s why those who have related having no energy or “feeling like an 80 year old” were having those problems)

Do some reading: (after reading the rest of this post)

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/3489

http://healthscamsexposed.com/2012/11/dying-to-lower-cholesterol-the-scary-truth-about-statin-drugs/

http://www.naturalnews.com/035033_cholesterol_disinformation_fats.html

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/05/joseph-mercola/the-great-cholesterol-scam/

http://www.spacedoc.com/articles/statin-scam

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/vitorin_study_2008jan.html

http://functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com/the-biggest-scam-in-medical-history-cholesterol/

Pharmaceutical companies are promoting statins for one reason. Money. Uninformed (or brainwashed) doctors are their pushers. The statin drugs alone account for something like $30 billion a year. That’s why your doctor insists you should take them.

The only people who might benefit from statins are middle aged men who have already had a heart attack. People over 65 should probably keep their cholesterol levels high. your doctor won’t like it, tell him take a hike. Most doctors don’t actually know enough about cholesterol to tell you how to handle it. Just from reading this you probably know more about cholesterol than he does. And that’s before you start clicking on the links above...

If any doctor ever tells me to lower my cholesterol, I’ll tell him take a long walk on a short pier...

IF you’re overweight..(I cant remember who it was) Why did you gain weight? Terrible American diet, no exercise.

Mostly cut out fattening foods, get some exercise, you want to work up a sweat for 30 minutes a day, watch what you eat, it’s actually better to eat 4 or 5 light meals a day than the normal for most Americans - little or no breakfast, junk food lunch, pig out for dinner and how much exercise do you get sitting there grabbing for the remote?

Get some exercise, I started paddling my boat 2 miles a day. And this...eat nothing but salad for dinner. You can literally eat salad all night and you take in no calories except in the salad dressing. I didn’t have to switch to salad, just cutting out fattening foods and paddling 2 miles a day I lost 30 lbs in about 2½ months.

You gain weight because you take in more calories than you burn off, reverse that process. You can even cheat now and then...if you want pizza for lunch once a week, OK, as long as you are actually making progress. And if you’re making progress, no reason you shouldn’t reward yourself. But take it easy on it...


86 posted on 09/23/2015 11:14:28 AM PDT by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL,

You, of course, are a special case.

So much of our bad health is food driven and we generally like food if we figure out how to avoid the commercial stuff.

I went through Army AIT cooks school back in the day where the AF and Army had that combined daily menu (1970) and we really learned the trade.

My civilian industry was commercial construction and I got to build a consolidated dining hall about 40 years after AIT. Some things were different but some things were the same. I still liked the 1930s era giant consolidated dining hall at Camp Caffee AR that would cycle 1100 men a meal through its doors. Steam jacketed steam kettles, bain marie tables, and all sorts of stuff we don’t see these days.


87 posted on 09/23/2015 11:52:05 AM PDT by KC Burke (Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam)
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To: Paleo Pete

Thank you.


88 posted on 09/23/2015 12:01:38 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: VaRepublican

You’re welcome.

I started looking into it 3 or 4 years ago just out of curiosity. Have a couple of family members freaking out about cholesterol. My mother still refuses to believe the facts, she actually refuses to use butter any more, swearing margarine is better for you...I gave up...I showed her a half dozen good articles, no dice. Talked to her a dozen times...nope...she still thinks a doctor knows more than her son, who she has sworn for 50 years is a genius...go figure...if I’m a genius why don’t you believe a word I say? Pisses me off...then again she’s a democrat so I’m not surprised...still gets pissed when I say Obama is a liar and the most useless POS that ever walked into the white house..He’s no LIAR!!! and the argument is on...geeez...

Anyway I hope you can get some useful info, you sure won’t get it from a doctor.


89 posted on 09/23/2015 12:14:30 PM PDT by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I've heard this about tea and kidneys. Does that go for green tea as well?
90 posted on 09/23/2015 12:15:21 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Paleo Pete

The biggest change in my cholesterol to the down side came when I got off of margarine and it’s cousins.


91 posted on 09/23/2015 12:17:40 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: southern rock
Any kind of tea if it's real tea. I can drink coffee, cokes, beers and anything else without a problem.

Tea curls me up and makes me cry like a little girl.

Only one kidney got crushed and removed. The other is fine. Spleen is missing, too, now.

Don't fall down. ;)

/johnny

92 posted on 09/23/2015 12:20:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: VaRepublican

Some good info here:

http://www.wellnessresources.com/search/index.php?zoom_query=statins&cmdSearch.x=0&cmdSearch.y=0

And here:

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/cholesterol.php


93 posted on 09/23/2015 12:24:11 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

Thank you.


94 posted on 09/23/2015 12:27:10 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: VaRepublican
so depressing...

You don't want to go into it that way.

You have a great wide-open chance to make a better life for yourself.

"Comfort food" is the big fricking problem nowadays in that so often we turn to food to fill the hole in our heart, soul, future, etc.

After 20 years of hard daily boozing I gave it up. Had to or die, said the doc. I was terrified about getting through a day, about FILLING a day, without the sauce within reach.

It was painful and depressing and enraging for some time---yes, I went to the meetings, thank God---but the breakthrough came to me the day that I realized I wasn't 'giving up' something essential to my life, rather I was entering a new life in which everything could be approached fresh.

Walking, working out, hunting, fishing, reading, sleeping, screwing---I realized that I had really never done any of it while sober, since I had started drinking in my teens.

Hell, I got to do it all over. I got to try everything NEW again. I got a second chance at life.

You have one too. You can ease yourself into good health. You can learn what real hunger feels like again, and you can address it with the healthy diet of your choice (I avoid carbs and grains, not totally, and stick to meats, veggies, the harder varieties of cheese, and I weigh about what I did in high school). Stay the hell off processed sugars and don't eat mayo, cream sauce and so on.

You can eat a hell of a lot of good food and still get and stay lean, especially if you are willing to work out a bit: jog till your heart rate is up, walk till it slows. Repeat for a half an hour then go rinse yourself off lol.

I have learned that, for me anyway, and I think many others, the real effective exercise routines involve pushing the heart rate up, letting it calm, do it again. You don't have to run 10 miles or lift 300 pounds.

Good luck FRiend.

95 posted on 09/23/2015 12:43:37 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: VaRepublican

I have been on statins for almost 20 years. Lipitor.

I’ve experienced no side-effects.

My lipid profile looks like the profile of an 18 year-old marathon runner.

It seems that with each passing year statins are found to be beneficial in additional ways.

The benefits of statins far outweigh the negatives.

If your doctor recommends a statin, do it.


96 posted on 09/23/2015 1:06:25 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: arthurus

I also use Cholestoff with good results along with fish oil and CoQ10. The doc was ready to immediately put me on blood pressure meds for my high bp but I decided to do the regiment above along with minimal 30 minutes a day exercise at least 5 days a week. Over 50 and all is well now.


97 posted on 09/23/2015 1:30:12 PM PDT by slas7713
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To: happyhomemaker

been trying.


98 posted on 09/23/2015 4:58:46 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama = Fredo Smart)
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To: Fightin Whitey

I suppose the truth hurts. Time to turn it around.


99 posted on 09/23/2015 6:01:59 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: slas7713

I’m 69 and my blood pressure problem used to be that it was very low. When I was young I learned not to jump up from a seat. If I did I would pitch forward on my face. I consume d a lot of salt and other stuff I heard about to get BP up high enough that I could enlist. My numbers finally reached 100 over whatever well into middle age. I am thankful that high BP is not one of the crotchets of my old age.


100 posted on 09/23/2015 8:42:09 PM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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