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Archaeologist Claims to Have Unlocked Phaistos Disk Mystery [again]
Greek Reporter ^ | December 16, 2015 | Philip Chrysopoulos

Posted on 12/20/2015 6:53:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: Cronos
Herodotus wrote that the Persians told him that the Phoenicians had lived "on the shores of the Erythraean Sea", his term for the entire Indian Ocean, but in this case probably referring to the Red Sea (modern Eritrea may have taken its name from this older term). Herodotus also refers to the circumnavigation of Africa, an expedition bankrolled by the Egyptian pharaoh but carried out by the Phoenicians, who departed from the Red Sea, arriving a couple years later in the Nile Delta. Thanks Cronos.

21 posted on 12/21/2015 12:38:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: BenLurkin; 2banana; Viking2002; FredZarguna; yarddog; Rodamala; bigbob; Buttons12; Slyfox; ...
I've often been impressed by the fact that this is the only known example of writing done with this particular set of dies. This is actually an ancient example of moveable type use, if memory serves, the earliest one known. The authorities there refuse to have scientific dating done, but it isn't nearly as old as is generally claimed.

22 posted on 12/21/2015 12:51:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The authorities there refuse to have scientific dating done

That does raise suspicions.

23 posted on 12/21/2015 12:59:46 PM PST by colorado tanker
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They have a reasonable alibi, which is the uniqueness of the artifact.


24 posted on 12/21/2015 2:19:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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from deep in the hard drive, an old omnibus, I'd guess that a good many are discontinued links:
25 posted on 12/21/2015 2:41:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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Lost Languages:
The Enigma Of The World's
Undeciphered Scripts

by Andrew Robinson
[snip] Amusingly, the author reproduces a letter to The Economist magazine regarding its article on the Phaistos Disk. The letter calls it a century old fraud (the disk, not the magazine) that could be exposed as such using thermoluminescence. [p 298].

He also mentions Barry Fell as having translated the Phaistos Disk and the rongorongo texts from Easter Island, but without further discussion of these achievements.

The chapter on the Phaistos Disk is interesting but unsatisfying because of the lack of a discussion of Fell (while the Fischer "translation" is discussed in depth, merely in order to dismiss it). On 306-307 there are some illustrations of the Arkalochori axe found on Crete. The haft has two types of "crested" heads (one face one, one in profile) somewhat resembling what Robinson calls the "Mohican" glyph that is the most common symbol on the Phaistos Disk. That (and a very weak second example) are all that has been found on Crete resembling the PD hieroglyphs in a century of excavation.

As Fell pointed out, the typeface (these characters were impressed on the clay using dyes, making the disk the oldest known example of a text printed with moveable type) is straight out of Anatolia. That source is what led to his decipherment of it -- he began by assuming it was from the Anatolian group of tongues, and came up with a workable and plausible translation.

Fell's Linear A translation is similarly useful and can be applied to other inscriptions. I've used it in my unskilled way on a coin, as I posted on my Ancient Times list on the Globe (October 9, 2000). [/snip]

26 posted on 12/21/2015 2:50:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; Cronos; All

A fascinating list of conjectures, contradictory hypotheses, and ego influenced search for truth. So, do you think that Fell or anyone else has nailed it?


27 posted on 12/24/2015 8:40:46 PM PST by gleeaikin
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I don’t see how there could possibly be enough data on that disk to be able to analyze and decipher it.

But I’m not a cryptologist and I don’t play one on TV.


28 posted on 12/24/2015 8:45:32 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: gleeaikin
I think Fell did, but I'd love it if someone (probably in Anatolia) turned up the ancient workshop with the dies used to make the disk, and (as long as I'm wishing) other samples 'written' the same way.

29 posted on 12/25/2015 6:09:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: BenLurkin
It's a tough crack, and given that there are no other known examples per se, there's no way for anyone to come up with a definitive decipherment. The author of that book up there made the same point about Linear A, which exists in very few samples.

30 posted on 12/25/2015 6:11:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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