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Earth could become hotter than thought, study warns (clouds influence not correctly accounted for)
Yahoo News ^ | 4/8/16 | AFP

Posted on 04/09/2016 9:40:29 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Washington (AFP) - Global warming could make the planet far hotter than currently projected because today's scientific models do not correctly account for the influence of clouds, researchers said this week.

The study in the journal Science was led by researchers at Yale University and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

When climate scientists look ahead to how much the planet's surface temperature may warm up in response to a doubling of carbon dioxide -- a byproduct of fossil fuel burning -- they typically predict a rise of between 2.1 and 4.7 degrees Celsius (3.75 to 8.5 degrees Fahrenheit).

But these models overestimate the ability of clouds to reflect back sunlight, and counteract warming in Earth's atmosphere, researchers said.

"We found that the climate sensitivity increased from four degrees Celsius in the default model to five to 5.3 degrees Celsius in versions that were modified to bring liquid and ice amounts into closer agreement with observations," said lead author Ivy Tan, a researcher at Yale University.

The problem is most models assume there is more ice in clouds than there actually is.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Science; Weather
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m over-gasped. Oh, wait.. nope.


21 posted on 04/09/2016 9:58:58 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: Dilbert San Diego

More brainwashing attempts with that rhetoric. Maybe the way this country is headed, FINAL and complete “global warming” might be better than have to live under the fall out of political correctness and all the other BS continually thrown at us.


22 posted on 04/09/2016 9:59:21 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Vehmgericht

Everything from these liberal demented minds are designed to make YOU, as an AMerican citizen, feel guilty. Paypal disses North Carolina for a new law but does business with other countries that treat folks much worse. You are to be guilty for not baking a cake as other countries throw people from a roof. China can pollute forever, they don’t care, as long as they can have the power of guilt over you.


23 posted on 04/09/2016 10:00:16 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: Vehmgericht

It’s april 9th and we have snow in NYC.

yeah, it’s hot as blazes.


24 posted on 04/09/2016 10:02:12 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh Boy! I must be hallucinating the half foot of snow I have in my back yard three weeks into spring!
25 posted on 04/09/2016 10:02:19 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: NormsRevenge

These government funded liars predictions make Miss Cleo the TV Psychic look reputable!


26 posted on 04/09/2016 10:03:28 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Oh yikes. I almost threw up my bacon and eggs when I scrolled down and saw your pic in #19. I didn’t deserve having to see that filthy nasty ignorant slut this early in my morning. (lol...did I say that)


27 posted on 04/09/2016 10:03:56 AM PDT by Mr Apple (Congressman Barton speaks following Lakeview tour www.youtube.com/watch?v=59J0i3LNoY8)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
(correction....the filthy nasty ignorant slut in your #14)
28 posted on 04/09/2016 10:07:11 AM PDT by Mr Apple (Congressman Barton speaks following Lakeview tour www.youtube.com/watch?v=59J0i3LNoY8)
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To: NormsRevenge

They can’t even get their phony models right.


29 posted on 04/09/2016 10:07:48 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama = ISIS Fanboy)
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To: NormsRevenge

They’re just throwing spaghetti up against the wall hoping something will stick.


30 posted on 04/09/2016 10:07:55 AM PDT by moovova
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To: NormsRevenge

Yes, they’re right.

It happens every summer.


31 posted on 04/09/2016 10:10:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (uff said.)
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To: dp0622
It’s april 9th and we have snow in NYC.

yeah, it’s hot as blazes.

lol, too funny.

32 posted on 04/09/2016 10:10:58 AM PDT by Mr Apple (Congressman Barton speaks following Lakeview tour www.youtube.com/watch?v=59J0i3LNoY8)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Those are anything but stupid questions. But the answer to them can be summed up in two words, the two constants in all of human history ... Money and Power. This has nothing to do with science, the climate, or the environment. It’s money taken from the advanced and productive and sent to the pockets of third world thug chieftains, with Al Gore and his ilk managing the transfer and taking their cut. And the power to coerce and control humanity at the most basic level of survival.


33 posted on 04/09/2016 10:11:02 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Pleas, don’t confuse the Liberals with facts! That would force them to think...

...perhaps for the first time in their lives! Their brains would hurt and it would cause them to stampede and hide in their ‘safe spaces’, clutching their blankees to their mouths!

Oh, the micro-agression!

</sarc>


34 posted on 04/09/2016 10:16:56 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Stop applying common sense to the “global warming” argument! You make liberals cry!

“Global warming” is simply an effort by totalitarian governments to scare their gullible serfs and acquire even more power over them.

Prodded on by the totalitarians, corporations worldwide have invested in this scam to the tune of trillions.

These investors will be VERY MAD at the totalitarians if the rubes don’t buy their fraud.

Hence, a “study” promising doom for us all, every single day.


35 posted on 04/09/2016 10:18:29 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Does anyone really know how much man contributes to global warming, vs. how much is due to natural conditions which we have no control over?


Barring a nuke, I’d say we have very little effect.

Though humans think everything revolves around them, so they can be used for ulterior objectives by being told it’s the fault of us driving to work.


36 posted on 04/09/2016 10:22:15 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: PIF
Clouds = water vapor

Steam and water vapor are invisible gases. Visible clouds are made of spheres of condensed water that have dramatically different optical properties.

Ocean algae emit a chemical that influences how fast water vapor turns into reflective clouds. The algae does this to regulate the intensity of sunlight to its liking. Earth's environment is highly buffered by megatons of living biomass.

37 posted on 04/09/2016 10:23:43 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

She really does resemble a lizard. We have the blue bellies in our back yard. They are so cute and their faces look a lot like ValJar. She would be a cute lizard if she were harmlessly warming herself on rocks and not destroying our country.


38 posted on 04/09/2016 10:23:50 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: katana
Yes, but the other contributor to this field is the amount of grant money and academic ‘success’ that comes with tying ones career to a hot topic that is being backed by the political establishment. The first author is a graduate student, probably very hard working nice kid, just trying to qualify for a Ph.D. and have a life and career. It's fine to do computer modeling and add to the cumulative scientific data. However, it's up to the scientific community to stick to the facts, acknowledge the limitations of computer modeling and specific studies, and to above all be very honest with the data - including making all raw data available.

Making raw data available is slowly becoming a requirement in the biological sciences, in part a response to overstatement of data, outright fraud, and over interpretation of findings. Scientists have a responsibility to question their own results, and to be committed to finding the truth - wherever it leads. One problem with this is that if the truth runs contrary to the ‘desired’ truth, it will be difficult to publish, and it could end your career.

39 posted on 04/09/2016 10:30:27 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And since these previous ice ages all happened before the industrial revolution, clearly man had not reached a point of creating pollution which liberals claim is behind global warming. The earth warmed in the past due to natural cycles, which we may not fully understand anyway.

Neanderthal farts?

40 posted on 04/09/2016 10:30:41 AM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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