Posted on 04/22/2016 3:43:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
I have taken this for granted. It is consistent with Trump's life before running for POTUS. I will take your objection seriously and stop repeating the claim unless and until I can verify it and, if I can verify it, I will get back to you. If you are right, thanks for the correction. If you are not right, i am sure you have objected in good faith.
xzins:
I thought I should ping you as well to the fact that there is question as to the factual basis of my previous post to you. I will also get back to you if I can verify its factuality and apologize i advance if I was in error.
Actually, it is Trump that is tarnishing the conservative brand. Thanks for not tarnishing it further.
So, how do you decribe yourself now?
I think it is very well supported, all Cruz can talk about is Trump.
Good point!
What response have I gotten?
Crickets.
These Ted Cruz fanboys know the truth, as does their preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, and yet they still insist on their suicidal quest to both wreck their own party and even risk their country, all for one man's blind personal ambition. Absolutely shameful.
It would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous.
At this point, Ted Cruz's egotism and narcissism make Donald Trump's ostensible character deficits pale in comparison. They long ago ceded the moral high ground.
Vote Trump
He is saying that it doesn't matter if he personally agrees or disagrees with what NC does, it is still their decision to make.
It is an important issue, but it is not a Presidential one, it is one that will be dealt with on the local level.
No ma’am or sir, I don’t. Only Lying Ted Cruz talks about inappropriate things like hard core porn in front of children.
Guthrie then asked if he would favor a revision to add an exception for the health of the mother." To Trump's credit, he said no to that and that he would have exceptions ONLY for life of the mother, rape and incest. Therefore JayGalt's objection was correct and my assertion otherwise was wrong.
I apologize to JayGalt and to xzins and anyone else reading my error which I will make a point of not repeating unless Trump changes his mind in the future. I care far too much about the abortion issue to allow myself to be as sloppy as I have proven to be. I don't trust Trump on abortion but that is o excuse for posting what have proven to be untrue allegations about him. I am now relying on Lifesite News' account of this.
As to the three exceptions that Trump would make, I offer the following:
1. Life of the Mother. I would agree IF AND ONLY IF this exception is strictly limited to imminent PHYSICAL threats to the life of the mother. If the mother is affected by a tubal pregnancy, the developing fetus is already guaranteed to die within currently available technology. If the fetus is not removed the mother will die as well. Tubal pregnancies justify medical intervention that is deemed by the world generally as "abortion" but is actually intervention to save the only life that can be saved, the life of the mother. There are also rare cases of uterine cancers where similar standards MAY apply depending on the facts of the individual case. This exception will generally be quite rare and objectively provable. The moral principle of "double effect" is at work here.
2. Incest. If the mother is underage and the victim of sexual imposition by a close male relative, or any other male, we call that statutory rape and no additional "exception" is necessary for incest. If sexual relations occur on a consensual basis between close relatives, it is hardly the fault of the developing baby. In either event, this exception is not morally justified or logically justified. If the concern is that incest makes birth defects more likely, that does not justify killing the child. Most pregnancies resulting from incest result in normal children even if the circumstances are risky. If the child is not normal, that does not grant those already born some "right" to kill the child.
3. Rape. Rape is unquestionably a terrible crime and, in most jurisdictions statutes provide heavy punishments for it. Our emotions become engaged on behalf of a woman or girl who has been so wronged but emotions are not a reliable basis for law. The baby that this exception would allow to be dismembered is guilty of nothing. Allowing this exception amounts to saying: Fred mugged Sue so let's kill Mary!
The language of Trump quoted by JayGalt appears to be precisely correct and I was wrong.
What the Left constantly does is try to force a reaction by the Right to make some new laws, in order to bring in the Federal Judges to make rules on the subject.
The States have laws in place against lewd behavior, just start enforcing those laws instead of reacting to these new attacks on decency, which are really attempts to bring the Federal government into local issues.
Neither Cruz nor Trump, as President, would have the power to do anything about it.
If Cruz were the actual popular candidate, with the other candidate running somehow winning the primaries, I would say they might have a case.
But the fact is that Cruz is supported by about 25% of the GOP, Trump about 50%.
Do they think the 25% guy is going to beat the 50% guy at the convention?
Like Abortion. Right. Leave it to the local and states.
Got it.
A real concern is the text of the Charlotte transgender ordinance.
We’ve not actually seen what it was that the NC legislator and governor fixed.
NOBODY is showing it in the entire media.
Any of you have lexis?
It was the Left who brought it to the Federal level, where all State laws were struck down.
We win the abortion battles on the local levels, the Left knows that.
Originally it was illegal under British common law before the United States was even a country. It has been prohibited by the hippocratic oath since ancient times.
Nobody ever thought of allowing men into women's bathrooms until early this year. Now you are a bigot if you don't think it is just a wonderful idea.
We are dealing with how to practically battle the Left on the issue, which is to return the issue to the States, where the Right wins.
I think the overwhelming number of Americans are against it, but a vocal minority control the media.
The deconstruction left being led by their lgbt allies are systematically destroying the underpinings of this once great civilization. Liberal have no objective foundation for truth. They will decide whatever the mob wants is true and good. Conservatives have an objective foundation for truth. It is the Scriptures and was given to us by GOD. Our moral code is based on this truth. Our legal system and codes were based on this objective foundation.
Once society embraces everything that Scripture tells us we shouldn't Govt can become our new lord and master.
All of you raise important issues and plans for how best to fight.
It strikes me that none have worked so far....not state, not local, and not federal. Not electing the ‘right’ people and not electing the ‘wrong’ people.
I suspect we are on the slide to the great falling away, and that we are confronting a fearsome beast that crushes and grinds everything in its path.
Which is exactly what North Carolina did, but then LGBTrump came out immediately and ridiculed North Carolina for doing so.
Honestly FTD is there not one thing that trump has said or done that you would be willing to criticize him for? One thing? Defending the indefensible seems to be the order of the day.
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