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'Eye-watering' Scale Of Black Death's Impact On England Revealed
Guardian UK ^ | Last modified on Thursday 26 May 2016 | Maev Kennedy

Posted on 06/19/2016 5:11:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: proxy_user
One impact was that wages more than doubled, and serfdom became obsolete because of the need for workers.

Only counts if you were amongst the living. Even then, that was years later but the disruption was almost immediate! Just think of no clergy and no one to dig the graves for your loved ones.

21 posted on 06/19/2016 7:50:40 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SES1066

I would strongly recommend picking up a copy (free via Amazon for the e-reader) of Daniel Defoe’s “A Journal of the Plague Year”. It is a fictionalized account but details out a number of the procedures that the English towns used to bury the dead, securing the safety of citizens and continue living.


22 posted on 06/19/2016 9:08:32 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: PLMerite

Hey, it’s Geddy Lee’s separated at birth sister!


23 posted on 06/19/2016 9:55:20 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

I don’t know who that it, but I always thought Carenza Lewis was pretty and very smart.


24 posted on 06/19/2016 10:02:10 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: SunkenCiv
spread of black death
25 posted on 06/20/2016 1:23:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: safeasthebanks

well, the spread of the black death was man-made. It seems to have originated in China due to the crowding caused by the Mongol invasions and then spread with the Mongols to the West


26 posted on 06/20/2016 1:27:52 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: PLMerite

“Carenza Lewis used to be on Time Team.”

I don’t think it’s appropriate here to make fun of his ‘transition’.


27 posted on 06/20/2016 4:41:20 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Cronos

Thanks Cronos.


28 posted on 06/20/2016 4:58:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: ExSES; PghBaldy; Michael.SF.
Thanks ExSES, and good point -- as Gina Kolata pointed out in her book about influenza, the Spanish Lady flu which hit right at and just after the end of The Great War (WWI) was the worst of a five year (two ahead, two behind) rise and fall of lethality in what is, after all, an annual happening. It's something the world has learned to live with, but many die worldwide every year. The difference is, in 1900 the population of the Earth was perhaps one billion, now it is perhaps seven billion. Also, flu epidemics have risen to (as the linked table calls it) pandemic levels, due to a rise in lethality. One outbreak in the 1890s was similar in effect to the Spanish Lady in 1918, and was somehow similar enough to their immune systems that those who had survived the 1890s outbreak never even caught cold in 1918. Anecdotally, the 1872-73 outbreak was one of the nasty ones (lost family in that one), but the Spanish Lady was perhaps worse, or perhaps just got more publicity, resulting in a convenient forgetting of the rise and fall of lethality of the 19th c flu epidemics. The death toll in 1918 was in the tens of millions worldwide, estimates go as high as 100 million, but that number is difficult for me to believe -- relatives (now deceased of old age and whatnot) who lived through it didn't seem to have thought much of it, when asked about it, said, more or less, oh yeah, that's right, there was a bad one that year. A great number of its victims though were in just the places where accurate numbers are not available or easy to reconstruct (India, China, elsewhere in rural Asia, Africa, etc). My guess is, the results were skewed because so many people's opinions of it have been formed by the impact on urban populations in the US (NYC, Philadelphia, etc) and postwar Europe.

29 posted on 06/20/2016 5:05:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Huck

Welcome, I’ve also sent you mail.


30 posted on 06/20/2016 5:08:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: henkster
The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850
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31 posted on 06/20/2016 5:12:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: proxy_user; 2banana; MuttTheHoople; safeasthebanks; Scrambler Bob; MrsEmmaPeel; vladimir998; ...
Yeah, the Black Death was an ongoing bloodletting (Plague outbreaks continued into Jacobean times at least, in Britain) that led to the breakdown in the old feudal order (and coincidentally, to the Society for Creative Anachronism, Renaissance faires, and movies like "King Richard and the Crusades"), the rise in workers working for wages, revival of invention, urbanization, accountable gov't, modern banking, and a rise in learning and the arts, along with pogroms against the Jews, the Reformation, the Fall of Constantinople, and the Age of Sail. Ultimately, the colonization of the Americas and the birth of many of us (and perhaps all of us, irrespective of where we live or where our ancestors did) reading this right now.

32 posted on 06/20/2016 5:20:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: PLMerite; BobL; Axenolith

[btw, Michael Wood’s Story of England is great, particularly that first disk where they’re do all the digging, and the second]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carenza_Lewis

Carenza Rachel Lewis (born 1963)[1] is a British archaeologist who became famous as a result of her appearances on the Channel 4 television series Time Team.

Educated at the school (since closed) of the Church of England Community of All Hallows, Norfolk and at Girton College at the University of Cambridge, in 1985 she joined the Royal Commission on the Historical Monuments of England (now part of English Heritage) as a field archaeologist for Wessex. During part of her time with the RCHME she was seconded to the History Department of the University of Birmingham to research the relationship between settlement and landscape in the East Midlands. She followed this with a similar project for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight. In 1999 she was elected a visiting fellow of Corpus Christi College, Cambridge, where she is a Senior Research Associate and Affiliated Lecturer.[2] In 2004 she took on a new post at Cambridge to promote undergraduate archaeology, and created Access Cambridge Archaeology.[3]

In 1993 she joined the team creating the first Time Team series, shown in 1994. The success of Time Team encouraged the production of other programmes in similar formats, including What If and House Detectives. In 2000 she fronted an episode of the BBC counter history programme entitled “What If” where she theorised on what would have happened had Boudicca’s uprising succeeded in AD 60. In 2002 House Detectives at Large starred Carenza Lewis with architectural historian Dan Cruickshank. She also devised and presented a series called Sacred Sites for HTV. She left Time Team after series 12, filmed in 2004, and returned to television in the 2010 series Michael Wood’s Story of England.[4]

Carenza Lewis went public about her experience when she was wrongly diagnosed with breast cancer by Dr. James Elwood in 1997 and had an unnecessary double mastectomy.[5][6]

In 2015 Carenza Lewis was appointed Professor of Public Understanding of Research at the University of Lincoln.


33 posted on 06/20/2016 5:24:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Trod Upon

Actualy in a sense it is. Due to our hedonistic post 1960s lifestyle and the cult of death scarifies to the death god, Abortion, the population of the West is in decline. In many of the nations of Europe the birth rate is actually a negative number.

Combine that with the overly generous social welfare state and increases in human longevity and you have an inverted pyramid of more old people collecting more benefits then the taxpayers paying in can support. So, some “smart” people decided the solution to that problem is a mass migration of third world peon to re-populate the European tax base.

What they did not think about, like Rome before them, is the barbarians are not coming to become Europeans, they are coming to replace the Europeans with their own cultures.


34 posted on 06/20/2016 5:56:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: SunkenCiv

Barbara Tuchman’s A Distant Mirror is a pretty fine read on the topic.


35 posted on 06/20/2016 10:47:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

I tried the unabridged audiobook of that one, and boy, it bogged down fast. I have read others of hers, they were much better.


36 posted on 06/20/2016 11:23:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I tried the unabridged audiobook of that one, and boy, it bogged down fast. I have read others of hers, they were much better.

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Funny.

It was her book The First Salute that I could not get through.

Couldnt put Distant Mirror down.


37 posted on 06/20/2016 11:33:46 AM PDT by dmz
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