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Obamas Parting Pardons
6/26/16 | Good Tomato

Posted on 06/26/2016 1:48:51 PM PDT by goodtomato

I just recently read that a President who is under Articles of Impeachment, may not issue any Pardons.

We now know that Obamas immigration policy was illegal. Why not file for Impeachment and let the clock run out? I think Hillary would have a "huge" problem with this action!


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To: LouAvul

Noted, thank you!


21 posted on 06/26/2016 2:34:56 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: kaehurowing
A person can be pardoned by the President for all crimes, past, present and future.

A person can be pardoned for crimes they committed and haven't been charged with, like Nixon. However, I don't believe that a pardon can be given for all future crimes not yet committed. Otherwise, it would be a unlimited license to commit crimes without any possibility of prosecution.

22 posted on 06/26/2016 2:52:08 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of incompetence and corruption.)
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To: Vaquero

“Bambi will pardon himself...his criminal crew and Hillary as he leaves office.”

I’m not so sure. There is no love lost between Obama and the Clintons.

If Hillary loses the election she is of no further use to Obama in protecting his “legacy.”. He may just decide to drive a stake through her heart as a counter to Arkancide.

After all why waste a pardon on someone who constantly claims innocence? Tell her he believes her and a trial will serve to exonerate her for all time!

We all know she is guilty of many things up to and probably including Treason. A convicted Hillary would provide Obama with a ready scapegoat for his failed foreign policies.

Couple that with a corruption/RICO trial of Mr. Bill and the Clinton Foundation will take out the rest of the family including Chelsea.

There are a lot of upsides to NOT giving Hillary a blanket pardon. Let the Republicans get the blame for her fall is just the last of these. Revenge is best serve cold! Especially if you can keep your own hands clean.


23 posted on 06/26/2016 3:01:23 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry Bear formily known as Ursus Arctos Horrilibis (or U.A. Californicus))
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To: Forty-Niner

He appears to be on her side or he would have had the Justice department take all that FBI criminal evidence against her and run with it.

Just my $0.02.


24 posted on 06/26/2016 3:51:14 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: kaehurowing

“A person can be pardoned by the President for all crimes, past, present and future.”

Future crimes?

Please cite source-references or established precedent for that absurd statement.


25 posted on 06/26/2016 4:15:53 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: kaehurowing
"A person can be pardoned by the President for all crimes, past, present and future."

Are you sure about "future crimes"?

I seriously doubt Nixon could go out and rob banks without penalty after his pardon.

Ford's pardon had a specific timeline.

It extended to the end of Nixon's resignation.

26 posted on 06/26/2016 5:25:18 PM PDT by boop (Where IS Hillary?)
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To: kaehurowing

Only federal crimes, not state crimes...........


27 posted on 06/26/2016 5:41:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: goodtomato
Parting Pardons . . .

18.7 million immigrants to Avoid Oath of Allegiance, Pledge to Defend America. Biggest pardon in my lifetime.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/25/obama-invites-18-7-million-immigrants-avoid-oath-allegiance-pledge-defend-america/

Am thinking this is the army (along with natural born progressives) that will rise up against individual freedoms and American values as we once knew them long time ago. At least in the voting booth.

Most of them believe that its not corruption, rather its commission.

28 posted on 06/26/2016 5:43:52 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: goodtomato

A president has full use of his powers while under impeachment. Once convicted by the Senate, he would be immediately removed from office and thus stripped of his powers. Until that moment, though, the fact that the House had impeached him would not affect his ability to pardon whomever he wants.


29 posted on 06/26/2016 5:46:46 PM PDT by kalt
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To: goodtomato

Pretty clever. And tho the R’s won’t do it, you know the D’s wouldn’t hesitate!


30 posted on 06/26/2016 5:47:16 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Forty-Niner

So many possibilities! This is a new one on me. I like it!

>> A convicted Hillary would provide Obama with a ready scapegoat for his failed foreign policies.

I wonder if 0vomit has considered that. 0vomit’s entire life has been all about blame, so this should appeal to him.


31 posted on 06/26/2016 7:54:38 PM PDT by generally
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To: kalt

So, then he could pardon himself upon the initiation of impeachment proceedings?


32 posted on 06/26/2016 7:55:00 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: goodtomato

The actual text of the Constitution is your friend.

Here is the relevant provision, Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

As I read this, the President has a plenary power of pardons and reprieves (i.e., commutation of sentences), but this does not apply to federal office holders who have been impeached (in other words, the President cannot stop an impeachment proceeding by “pardoning” the person who was impeached). This provision does not state that the President’s pardon power is suspended if and when he is impeached.


33 posted on 06/26/2016 9:49:06 PM PDT by nd76
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To: kaehurowing
‘Future?’

I think that you might be exaggerating there, just a bit.

34 posted on 06/26/2016 9:57:51 PM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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To: Vaquero

No hurry. He’s keeping his options open until Nov. Obama has no loyalty to the Clintons whatsoever.


35 posted on 06/27/2016 1:58:00 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry Bear formily known as Ursus Arctos Horrilibis (or U.A. Californicus))
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To: goodtomato
So, then he could pardon himself upon the initiation of impeachment proceedings?

Maybe. But maybe not. Check out this take on the question.

36 posted on 06/30/2016 4:46:54 AM PDT by kalt
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To: kalt
Interesting read, and I agree. Something tells me that we may find out sooner than later FRiend!
37 posted on 06/30/2016 1:47:25 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: goodtomato

Obama will issue a blanket pardon for everyone except for white, US citizen criminals.


38 posted on 06/30/2016 1:52:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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