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Man fatally shoots teen forcing his way into home, gets muder (sic) charge
guns.com ^ | July 19, 2016 | Jennifer Cruz

Posted on 07/20/2016 8:10:44 AM PDT by PROCON

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So, because the perp wasn't inside the house, it's murder.

Poor guy, will a Massachusetts jury convict him?

1 posted on 07/20/2016 8:10:44 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

I’d invoke the Joe Biden defense, “just fire a shot through the door”.


2 posted on 07/20/2016 8:13:45 AM PDT by broken_clock (Go Trump)
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To: PROCON

Seems crazy doesn’t it?

So if someone is breaking in, you have to let them break all the way in, and put yourself in harms way, in order to defend yourself?

The perps had the wrong house? Really?? Do they routinely break into someone’s house? Do they routinely break windows in a house of someone they know, in order to get inside?? Something doesn’t add up here.


3 posted on 07/20/2016 8:13:47 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: PROCON

In Colorado, ya do gotta wait until they’re inside before they’re fair game. Shoot inside: OK; Shoot outside: not OK.


4 posted on 07/20/2016 8:14:02 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: PROCON

Texas, I love you! Poor man, hope the jury is reasonable.


5 posted on 07/20/2016 8:14:51 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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I wonder what is considered “inside”?

If you have a deck or porch and a screen running all around, is that “inside”?


6 posted on 07/20/2016 8:15:46 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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mistook Lovell’s home for someone else’s

Mistook it for the home of someone who was unarmed?

7 posted on 07/20/2016 8:15:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: PROCON

Not if I were sitting on it.


8 posted on 07/20/2016 8:16:39 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: PROCON

American prosecutors are nothing but criminal thugs.


9 posted on 07/20/2016 8:17:45 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: PROCON

I lived in Mass once. Springfield. NEVER AGAIN.


10 posted on 07/20/2016 8:18:53 AM PDT by fuente (Liberty resides in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box--Fredrick Douglas)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

A drunk 15 year old breaks into a house and the owner is charegd with murder because he shot the kid. WTH?


11 posted on 07/20/2016 8:19:59 AM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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Lovell is currently being held without bail.

Are you frickin' kidding me?

12 posted on 07/20/2016 8:20:03 AM PDT by Right Brother
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Actually had jury duty where the thief broke into a pool screen enclosure, but did not go in the house. The charge could not be burglary on a dwelling since he did not go into a roofed building.


13 posted on 07/20/2016 8:22:01 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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So you have to let them break all the way in before ventilation?

What if one of them had a gun?

He also tried to communicate with them to no avail. He did everything right from what I can see.

The DA has an agenda.


14 posted on 07/20/2016 8:22:10 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: PROCON

I was thinking about that law when I saw the headline. If the perp wasn’t inside the house then unfortunately it will fall on the homeowner.

I remember as a teenager a friend’s dad (who was a sheriff) told me that if you want to shoot a home burglar, make sure of three things before you shoot. Otherwise you can be sued or face charges:
1) They need to be inside of your home
2) They need to be facing you when you shoot
3) You need to shoot to kill


15 posted on 07/20/2016 8:26:33 AM PDT by Marko413
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Remind me again. What’s the reason for living in Massachusetts if you are a productive, law-abiding person who wants to protect his home?


16 posted on 07/20/2016 8:26:54 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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>In Colorado, ya do gotta wait until they’re inside before they’re fair game. Shoot inside: OK; Shoot outside: not OK.

What if the perp is shooting at you from outside into your house at you?


17 posted on 07/20/2016 8:28:37 AM PDT by soycd
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To: avenir

In Texas, shooting and killing someone though your door would also get you a murder charge.


18 posted on 07/20/2016 8:35:02 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: soycd

It seems to me that if found guilty the defendant might appeal on the grounds that the law is unconstitutional by denying the right to self defense, just in the case you describe.


19 posted on 07/20/2016 8:35:46 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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“What if the perp is shooting at you from outside into your house at you?”

If someone is shooting at you, then it’s almost always justifiable to defend yourself with deadly force, doesn’t matter whether it is in your home, outside your home, wherever. At that point, you have left the realm of “reasonable fear of imminent harm” and entered the realm of actual harm being directed at you, so the rules are different.

It may be different if you live in a “duty to retreat” state where they expect you to run away if you can, but in most states, once the bullets start flying in your direction, you don’t need to worry about justification anymore.


20 posted on 07/20/2016 8:36:50 AM PDT by Boogieman
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