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To: Gaffer; mrreaganaut; Larry Lucido; umgud; NorthMountain; factoryrat; Red Badger; ctdonath2; ...
All,

Something someone said to me in a PM related to this thread got me thinking. That's always dangerous and can sometimes result in hours of time wasted on useless trivialities.

What came to my addled mind was that waaaaaaaaay back in the day when I had a 386dx, and I had lots of free time, I played around a bit with fractals. At the time the idea of generating graphics from fractal equations was actually kind of new, for the most part. There was this program, Fractint, a DOS program that could produce some really amazing images. It allowed you to zoom deep into these fractals and find some really interesting things at insane magnification levels. The software eventually incorporated logic such that it could do what they called "arbitrary precision" math. Essentially, it wasn't limited by the precision built into your computer, but could handle math with strings of numbers that were essentially of arbitrary length. Needless to say, when you were rendering a fractal and AP was engaged, the rendering slowed to a crawl. Of course, that didn't stop me. I'd set up a zoom, and walk away from my computer for a couple of days. The longest it ever took to render a single screen was about 60 hours.

At the time, I thought I was a fairly patient fellow with all this. Then years later I discovered what a truly Deep Zoom was. These guys would let a computer chug away on a render for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. On the aforementioned page, there is one mentioned called "spidrweb", that had rendered for 2413+ hours!(That's a little over 100 days!!!!!!) Yeah, I'm not nearly that patient. However, I currently do have a lot more horsepower today than I did with my scrawny 386. I've also got a multi-tasking computer that runs Linux, so it's plenty stable, and I'd be able to do other things while it ran. Looking at the Fractint page, there appears to be a fairly recent version of xfractint (which I'd tried several years ago and had been disappointed in). I downloaded, compiled and installed it. The current version does have some bugs and limitations, but seems to work pretty darned good.

So, armed with a modern fractint, and the ".par" values specified on the Deep Zoom page, I fired up fractint and let it run.

To say I was somewhat disappointed is a bit of an understatement. Using a 486dx took over a hundred days. My computer finished it in 3 hours 24 minutes. Yet again I'm mightily impressed with the advances in our computing power. It took less than 3 1/2 hours and the program is single-threaded. If the program had been designed to take advantage of all 8 cores of my processor, it would probably have taken 30 minutes. Not being much of a programmer, I can't say how much of a rewrite that would take.

Well, I guess it's time to delve deeper than I ever have before to see if I can find a level of zoom that will require a multi-day calculation....

152 posted on 08/18/2016 12:54:52 PM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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To: zeugma

That’s an interesting measure of how insanely powerful our common, “desktop supercomputers” have become.


153 posted on 08/18/2016 1:01:23 PM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: zeugma

https://sciencevsmagic.net/fractal/#0253,0270,5,3,1,0,2


154 posted on 08/18/2016 1:01:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: zeugma

Rewrite it to take advantage of a multi-hundred GPU equipped graphics card .....


155 posted on 08/18/2016 1:03:59 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: zeugma

I used gorilla glue to fix an abacus once


157 posted on 08/18/2016 1:24:25 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: zeugma

You weren’t the only one.
Plenty of us waited hours, days, or longer to generate fractals that today can be rendered in seconds now (if not real time frame rates).

Back then, I wondered what would happen if you devoted a then-supercomputer (filed a room, tens of millions of dollars) to a user interface. Now I’m using it to write this using one that fits in my pocket and cost a day’s wage.


158 posted on 08/18/2016 1:28:13 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: zeugma
check out gnofract4d.
159 posted on 08/18/2016 1:44:55 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma
However, I currently do have a lot more horsepower today than I did with my scrawny 386.

See my post# 161. I think you have more horsepower than what these guys envisioned in the early 1950's for our time.

163 posted on 08/18/2016 2:16:42 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: zeugma

I use to work in the AF F-15 pilot training program. One of our graphic artists made 3d graphic of two F-15s crossing a ridge line. We would set it up to render on Friday afternoon and it would take all weekend. We can do the same thing at a higher resolution in less than 5 minutes now.


173 posted on 08/19/2016 5:44:02 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: zeugma

I love Fractint! I used it too when it was new.

I wrote my first fractal gnerator on a commodore 64 computer.


175 posted on 08/19/2016 8:49:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (Trump will win NY state - choke on that HilLIARy)
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To: zeugma

post the image you created with it!!


176 posted on 08/19/2016 8:50:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (Trump will win NY state - choke on that HilLIARy)
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