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WHY NO ONE BELIEVED EINSTEIN
JSTOR Daily ^ | 19 Aug, 2016 | MATTHEW WILLS

Posted on 08/20/2016 12:22:18 PM PDT by MtnClimber

WWith hindsight, it seems as though scientific breakthroughs sweep quickly to universal acceptance. A paper is published and everybody says, “Eureka!” But that’s not necessarily the case. Sometimes scientists have too much invested in the status quo to accept a new way of looking at things. This was certainly true when Albert Einstein‘s 1905 paper on “special relativity” first challenged the British conception of ether. Einstein argued that space and time were bound up together (something he would elaborate on in his theory of general relativity of 1915, adding gravity to the mix of space/time), a complicated idea that contradicted the long-held belief in something called ether.

In the 19th century, ether (not to be confused with the once-popular anesthetic diethyl ether) was the medium that scientists believed filled space. It might be considered the first “dark matter,” an undetectable something theory said should be out there, the explanation for a number of problems having to do with electricity, the movement of light, even the whole concept of “nothing.” It was, according to one early-20th-century physicist, “accepted as a necessity by all modern physicists.” But as Einstein’s theory noted, there was no experimental confirmation for the substance. There was no proof it existed, other than that the scientific establishment had accepted the concept.

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To: MtnClimber

http://www.space.com/17661-theory-general-relativity.html


21 posted on 08/20/2016 2:07:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: MCH

I know all about stubborn technical staff. I have been battling a ridiculous standard and I have written a memo explaining how the standard will make it impossible for a system to actually work. The committee reviewers agreed with me, but the senior member who wrote the standard refuses to change it. That senior member just retired and the standards committee is busy rewriting the troublesome standard. They just can’t agree about what it should be. We adjusted our system so it works and provided the committee with the results and told them that this should fall within the acceptable range for the new specification. Meanwhile we are in limbo for probably a year.


22 posted on 08/20/2016 2:12:00 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Excellent read - “The Structure of Scientific Revolution” by Thomas Kuhn

One of the top 5 books everyone should read on my personal list :-)

Explains a lot of post modern thought and shows how physics can be applied to social phenomenon. Focus on the concept of the “paradigm.”

Read it in small doses.


23 posted on 08/20/2016 2:30:08 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (Waiting for inspirations)
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To: MtnClimber

i always thought is was the I before E thing. He has it wrong twice in his name.


24 posted on 08/20/2016 2:44:26 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: sparklite2
Yet, in the early 1990s, NGC 5195 was found to have such a markedly different red shift from M51, that the dwarf galaxy was actually a great distance behind M51 and could not possibly have any effect on it.

Wikipedia (yeah, I know the warnings) referencing a NASA database lists:

M51 distance 23 million light years, redshift 463 ± 3 km/s
NGC 5195 distance 25 ± 3 million light years, redshift 465 ± 10 km/s

25 posted on 08/20/2016 2:50:52 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: MtnClimber

When I was in university one prof lectured that the data gathered is forever but the interpretation of that data is never set in stone and is always subject to change and debate.


26 posted on 08/20/2016 2:59:34 PM PDT by xp38
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To: KarlInOhio

Roger that. But back in the nineties, the dwarf galaxy was said to have a much higher red shift.


27 posted on 08/20/2016 3:03:27 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: wastoute

Many parts of general relativity was shown to be correct. Photos taken in the 1919 solar eclipse show that light is bent by a gravitational field. Also, GR, accurately accounts for the precession of Mercury which could not be explained by Newtonian mechanics. Finally, GPS has to account for GR to maintain accuracy.


28 posted on 08/20/2016 3:05:07 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: katana

It used to be ‘settled science’ that stomach ulcers were caused by stress/acid. When someone posited that the cause may have been Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori), it was derided as heresy. But today, it’s settled.


29 posted on 08/20/2016 3:07:46 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: PIF

Maxwell and Newton tell us much of what we need to know


30 posted on 08/20/2016 3:12:15 PM PDT by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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To: xp38

That’s the way it should be. But it’s folly to discard mountains of experience on a whim. What you’d have then would resemble a kids’ soccer game. The ball bounces in the corner and everyone rushes over there until it gets kicked out, then everyone rushes over to the new place.

It should be like the ad slogan for a company where I used to work: We make haste slowly.


31 posted on 08/20/2016 3:13:22 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Windflier

Does Einstein have to fall for FTL to work? Einstein Is right for ‘normal space’, right? To go FTL, you have to step outside normal space.

At least according to all the fictions.

Beats me.


32 posted on 08/20/2016 3:15:00 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Nifster

Maxwell’s 200 field equations superseded Newton by so far it is ridiculous - like a jet and a turtle. Much of what we need to know is still locked into the original 200 but his original work is rare and very hard to find.

Maxwell proposed instantaneous transport between any point to any other without intervening machinery, free energy, instantaneous communication (much like quantum entanglement), and much more.


33 posted on 08/20/2016 3:21:32 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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34 posted on 08/20/2016 3:39:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cuckservative: a "conservative" willing to raise another country's ideology in his own country)
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To: kosciusko51

As I recall general relativity has to reconcile all the forces, electrical, weak, strong, and not just gravitational.


35 posted on 08/20/2016 3:51:06 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: sparklite2

That’s right and I still remember the look on people’s faces when it was suggested we treat ulcers with antibiotics. A big part of the surgery I learned as an intern was various operations for ulcers. No more. Gone. Done.


36 posted on 08/20/2016 3:54:37 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: MtnClimber

In 1676 Danish Lutheran astronomer, Ole Roemer, presented his timing measurements of the eclipses of Jupiter’s moon Io, showing that the speed of light was finite. While a few scientists (e.g., Isaac Newton and Christiaan Huygens) supported Roemer, the general scientific community held that the speed of light was infinitely fast. Over half-a-century later (and almost two decades after Roemer’s death), English physicist James Bradley confirmed in 1728 the finite speed of light using stellar aberration measurements.


37 posted on 08/20/2016 3:57:19 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: heterosupremacist

“Imagination is more important than knowledge...”

~ Attributed to Albert Einstein ~


For the word, imagination, I would use the word, intuition.

In my opinion, true scientists have an informed intuition, and are in the minority in the so-called scientific community.

Most of those who are called scientists are in my opinion highly-skilled technicians who lack intuitive insight. They dogmatically teach what they are taught.


38 posted on 08/20/2016 4:00:49 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: wastoute

I may be wrong, but I believe you are thinking of Einstein’s attempts at a Grand Unified Theory. GR is about how gravity affects space-time.


39 posted on 08/20/2016 4:04:39 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: YogicCowboy

Much like church pastors who really don’t have a personal relationship with the Triune God about whom they teach. When you know someone really well, you know they would never do this or that. Many people who talk about God have never read the Bible!

I love the complexity of the universe because it reveals the complexity of its Creator!

“As I recall general relativity has to reconcile all the forces, electrical, weak, strong, and not just gravitational.” Wastoute post 35

I like the centrifugal force vs gravity. I think that’s the key to flying saucers.


40 posted on 08/20/2016 4:16:54 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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