Something I Think Is Getting Glossed Over From The Debate

Me | 10-10-2016 | Vanity

[JamesP81]

Did anyone else catch that bit about enforcing a no-fly zone over Syria? We could do that, but it would mean aerial combat taking place between US and Russian aircraft.

I don't know about any of you, but I don't see Syria as something worth risking even a conventional conflict with Russia over. Also, it's a bad idea of nuclear powers to fight each other directly. The potential for a nuclear conflict is high, and given the number of warheads we and the Russians have, that conflict would be a disaster of literally biblical proportions.

[b4me]

maybe she needs a hanging fly paper strip for next debate?

[JamesP81]

No one get me wrong. I don’t love or worship Russia. Putin is not a good guy, but for or better or for worse, he is the leader of Russia and we have no choice but to deal with him.

At the end of the day, US foreign policy must serve the interests of the American people. A real, no-s###, shooting war with Russia does not serve the interests of the American people. Especially over a place like Syria. Letting the Russians have a warm water port there is less threatening than an actual war with Russia.

[Noumenon]

Post of the day!

[ETL]

Hillary and the globalists are against Russia because it is an independent nation in Europe, insisting on its own borders, its own language, its own culture, its own politics. Its probably the only aggressively Christian nation left in Europe. It will frustrate the plans of the new world order. Therefore, it is hated.

There isn't a single conservative in the House or Senate who doesn't agree that KGB Putin and his reemergent Russia isn't a serious threat to us and our allies. Did you somehow miss the recent VP debate, where Mike Pence blasted Putin and his aggressive, expansionist agenda in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, where he is attempting to gain a strategic foothold in the oil/gas-rich region.

[ETL]

Donald Trump: 'Putin has eaten Obama's lunch' on Ukraine

Mar 13, 2014
Eun Kyung Kim: TODAY

Donald Trump slammed President Obama Thursday on TODAY for failing to take a stronger line against President Vladimir Putin in dealing with Ukraine, saying he feared Obama would now make up for lost time with imprudent moves to "show his manhood."

The real estate mogul and reality-TV star, who has criticized Putin for sending military troops into Crimea, said Obama must now take fierce steps to prevent the situation from escalating further.

"We should definitely do sanctions and we have to show some strengths. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," Trump said. ..."

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098

[stormhill]

I'll go off the deep end here.
For generations the Assad family, admittedly not good people, protected the Christian minority fiercely. Then, a bunch of rebels take over part of the Syrian territory and their first act of celebration is to slaughter those poor people like sheep. Do I like Assad? Hell. No. But, compared to what he's fighting, not only should we not oppose him, not only should we not remain neutral, we ought to fight on HIS side.

To paraphrase FDR, he may be an SOB, but we should make him our SOB.

[Gen.Blather]

Democrats micromanage the military. President Johnson called flight leaders on the carrier’s deck to cancel their missions, skipping the command structure. Expect Obumbles to do the same.

[ETL]

It's (KGB Putin's Russia] probably the only aggressively Christian nation left in Europe

Putin: Defender of Christian Faith and Morality?

September 2014

(excerpt from a long, detailed article)

First and foremost, in any review of the basics regarding Putin, the most outstanding fact is that he is a creature of the Soviet KGB, a truly diabolical organization nonpareil, which stood for murder, terror, and grand deception.

It was the Soviet Communist Party's tool for the brutal suppression of religion, including the persecution of Christians: denying them jobs and education; spying on and entrapping them; arresting and imprisoning them; torturing them in unspeakable ways; desecrating and demolishing their church buildings; infiltrating their agents into churches to subvert them. The KGB destroyed thousands of Christian churches, monasteries, convents, and schools, and slaughtered millions of Christians.

But it did not destroy the churches utterly. There remained an underground church, whose members were always at risk of discovery, arrest, torture, and martyrdom. Above ground, the KGB took control of the Russian Orthodox Church, which became a very useful organ of the Soviet atheist state.

In January 2009, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev, better known as Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, was elected, from a short list of three candidates, to be the 16th Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, the highest position of authority in the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The election was called to fill the post that had been left vacant by the death of Patriarch Alexy II, who had headed the ROC since 1990.

Documents from the KGB archives have confirmed what sensible observers had long ago deduced from his actions: that Patriarch Alexy II (also spelled Alexi or Alexei) was a long-serving KGB agent (code-named Drozdov, "Blackbird"), in other words, a traitor to his Christian brethren and the God he claimed to serve. Putin's KGB/FSB was taking no chances with his replacement. All three candidates - Metropolitan Kliment of Kaluga and Borovsk (code-named Topaz), Metropolitan Filaret of Minsk and Slutsk (code-named Ostrovskii), and Metropolitan Kirill (code-named Mikhailov) - also have been reliably identified as agents of the KGB/FSB.

Russia expert David Satter, a former Moscow correspondent for the Financial Times (of London) and the Wall Street Journal, wrote of the election in 2009 for Forbes:

According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies.

Because Patriarch Kirill is of central importance to the myth of Putin as the Saul-to-Paul, Christian persecutor-to-Christian champion, it behooves us to more closely examine the man. He has publicly presided over, and provided official benedictions and exhortations for, Putin's cynical and Stalinesque exploitation of Russian nationalism and Russian Orthodoxy. Josef Stalin, who had very nearly consummated the annihilation of the Russian Orthodox Church begun by Vladimir Lenin, reversed course in 1941. The reason? His erstwhile partner in crime, Adolf Hitler, had turned on him and had invaded Russia.

Stalin, needing all the help he could get, cut a deal with ROC Metropolitans Sergius, Nikolay, and Alexy. In exchange for their support in rallying the Russian people, he would cease (temporarily) the persecution and allow the reopening of churches and theological schools. In fact, Stalin's Soviet government paid for the rebuilding of many of the churches. The ROC was thus placed even more firmly under the control of the NKVD, which was later to be reorganized and renamed as the KGB. ..."

much more at link

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/19162-putin-defender-of-christian-faith-and-morality

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"For 16 years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991.

He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election, despite widespread accusations of vote-rigging,[3] and was reelected in 2004."

"On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin head of the FSB (one of the successor agencies to the KGB), the position Putin occupied until August 1999. He became a permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on 1 October 1998 and its Secretary on 29 March 1999."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

[ETL]

From Sept *2016*!

Russia 'to revive the KGB' after Putin wins biggest majority

Telegraph (UK) ^ | 19 September 2016 • 3:39PM | Marc Bennetts

Russia plans effectively to revive the KGB under a massive shake-up of its security forces, a respected business daily has reported.

A State Security Ministry, or MGB, would be created from the current Federal Security Service (FSB) , and would incorporate the foreign intelligence service (SVR) and the state guard service (FSO), under the plans. It would be handed all-encompassing powers once possessed by the KGB, the Kommersant newspaper said, citing security service sources.

Like the much-feared KGB, it would also oversee the prosecutions of Kremlin critics, a task currently undertaken by the Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former university classmate of President Putin. The Kremlin has not commented. …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

[Bobalu]

[Jimmy The Snake]

Yea - Who are we to get in the middle of Syria Govt with Russia ally civil war with Rebels who are loosely tied to Terrorists.

Sounds like a shooting war with Russia in THEIR Ball Park.

Why in the H E double tooth picks would you do that?

Bring out the 1964 Goldwater A-Bomb TV ad, only dub in her making this idiotic policy stance.

[jetson]

In the debate Trump should have mentioned that Hillarys comments toward Putin along with BOzo’s comments are going to get us into a war, possibly nuclear with Russia.

[Covenantor]

Is there video of the fly actually flying and landing on her face, it is a rather small fly after all? How do we know it didn't just emerge from her face, its transformation from a maggot hastened by heat from the lights?

[MplsSteve]

Your points are well-taken and I don’t disagree.

Like many situations in the Middle East, we’re faced with a lesser of two evils approach - much like our support of Iraq during their war with Iran in the 1980’s.

My biggest concern about Assad is how much influence the Iranians have with him. That does not bode well for us (or Israel) in many ways.

[ctdonath2]

Yeah, I’m surprised Trump didn’t jump on that one. Shoot down just one Russian plane in a Syrian no fly zone and Russia will take out every site involved and similarly situated. Would have been another great line well timed: “no fly zone in Syria? You were actually SoS, and don’t realize that would literally start World War Three which would likely go nuclear?”

[ETL]

To paraphrase FDR, he may be an SOB, but we should make him our SOB.

Obama INTENTIONALLY afforded Putin the opportunity to move into the region and ultimately take it over, thus gaining a huge advantage over us in his "big picture", larger agenda, which is restoring the evil empire and then-some with positions in the strategic oil/gas-rich Middle East. Obama was his more than willing little *itch up until relatively recently, where it seems now that, after Putin got what he wanted or needed from the treasonous puke, told him to basically F-off and get out of the way.

[Vince Ferrer]

She made me very uncomfortable with how she was talking about Russia. She seems eager to provoke a war with them, which is in no way in the country’s best interest.

[Cboldt]

-- First, he needs to get Pence right on the subject. --

Pence addressed that this morning. he says radditz misconstrued Pence's position about the use of military force in Syria. Pence syas that in the VP debate, he was talking about the use of force to protect safe zones, not to prosecute a regime change.

QUIJANO: I want to turn now to Syria. Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries. Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, Governor Pence?

PENCE: The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo. Hillary Clinton's top priority when she became secretary of state was the Russian reset, the Russians reset. After the Russian reset, the Russians invaded Ukraine and took over Crimea.

And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America -- the greatest nation on Earth -- just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while Vladimir Putin puts a missile defense system in Syria while he marshals the forces and begins -- look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.

It begins by rebuilding our military. And the Russians and the Chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end of the Second World War. We've got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.

But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

And this exchange from last night ...

MR: Mr. Trump, let me repeat the question. If you were president, what would you do about Syria and the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo? I want to remind you what your running mate said. He said provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength and if Russia continues to be involved in air-strikes along with the Syrian government forces of Assad, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the Assad regime.

DT: Okay. He and I haven't spoken and I disagree.

MR: You disagree with your running mate.

[dfwgator]

Just as we allied with Russia to defeat the greater menace, Hitler, we need to ally to defeat the greater menace, Islamo-Fascism.

[ETL]

March 2012...

"Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it's important for him to give me space."

Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ..."

Obama: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." That statement tells us much about the president's mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration.

Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president's comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase "on all these issues," implying more is at stake than just missile defense."

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn't be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/
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