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For Microsoft Windows, it's do or die
Business Insider ^ | )ct 23, 2016 | Matt Weinberger

Posted on 10/23/2016 8:29:45 PM PDT by dayglored

Microsoft is set to unveil a bunch of new hardware on Wednesday, with the star attraction likely to be a new Surface PC to compete with Apple's all-in-one iMac.

Microsoft is billing this event as the future of Windows 10. That's not surprising: The reason Microsoft got into the Surface business in the first place was to push Windows forward into a touchscreen future, whether PC manufacturers wanted it or not.

But we're fast approaching a moment in time where Microsoft is going to have to do more than introduce new kinds of PCs if it wants Windows, first introduced in 1985, to stay relevant for the next three decades.

The PC industry is shrinking and Windows is increasingly irrelevant in a mobile world ruled by Apple's iOS and Google's Android. Even worse, Microsoft's own attempts to break into the smartphone realm have landed with a resounding "thud," exacerbating the slow decline of the Windows business (fortunately for Microsoft, its cloud and productivity businesses are exploding, propelling the company's stock to new highs).

It's gotten to the point where some, like Infoworld Editor-in-Chief Eric Knorr, have openly wondered whether it would be best if Microsoft put Windows out to pasture now, rather than let it bleed out slowly over the next few years as the world passes it on by.

[...lots more at the link...]

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: microsoft; windows; windows10; windowspinglist
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To: TomGuy

I started with the various DOS versions, compiling Fortran programs and running Ohio State programs like NECREF for antenna design. Windows had no meaning in that world.


21 posted on 10/23/2016 9:23:38 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: dayglored
I want to pay Microsoft $300 for licenses to a non-crippled, non-invasive, operating system. They won't let me.

I won't have DVD playing, nor privacy concerns met, with Windows 10.

We have been playing with Linux, but we may buy Apple.

How can a company get sales so wrong?

22 posted on 10/23/2016 9:35:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: dayglored

Also, Microsoft abandons EVERYTHING. Why do I want to buy obsolete?


23 posted on 10/23/2016 9:36:12 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: delete306
Slackware is.

Yup.
24 posted on 10/23/2016 9:41:26 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: dayglored

XP was a good, stable OS. Microsoft was right to be excited about its launch.

It was so good, in fact, that my wife only recently upgraded our central business computer to Win 7.

She wouldn’t have even done that, if not for the fact that our QuickBooks program needed to be upgraded, and the upgrade only works with the 16 bit Win 7 OS.


25 posted on 10/23/2016 9:45:02 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: dayglored
My first PC OS was MS-DOS 1.25. Haven't missed many since then (maybe a couple of Apple II OSes). Anyone remember CPM-86? IMHO Win-95 and XP pro were probably the apex. Win-98 and 8.x probably the bottom of the barrel.

When I use a PC I want a full sized physical keyboard and mouse, and a big monitor or two. When I use a phone or a tablet, it is for different tasks. I think it is a mistake for MS to try to blend the two. Witness 8 and 8.1 touch UI failures, or Ubuntu's unity mess.

26 posted on 10/23/2016 9:45:52 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

***** XP was the greatest OS ever. *****

Loved XP too. Ran it for many years. Windows 7 Pro x64 is my all time favorite. I have a Windows 8.1 Pro OEM CD. Tried it for a few months but went back to W7.


27 posted on 10/23/2016 9:52:24 PM PDT by Valk Rider
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To: TomGuy

“MS is ignoring a large segment of PC users — those who have significant reasons for still using XP and Win7, for example.”

You’re speaking my language. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn’t.

They have the viewpoint that they know what their customers need and want, better than their customers do. It’s a totalitarian mindset that has irked me for a very long time.


28 posted on 10/23/2016 9:53:15 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: fuente

#5 I did a search on Surface Pro 4 Problems and found this website. Google listed 22 problems but when I clicked on the link the page had found another and listed 23.....
Judging from the link below it may have started out as 9 problems!

23 Microsoft Surface Pro 4 Problems & Fixes
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/10/11/9-surface-pro-4-problems-fixes/


29 posted on 10/23/2016 9:54:58 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Windflier

Been putting the upgrade from XP to 7 off for a year, Quicken is stuck at 9/15/15.. Sigh.


30 posted on 10/23/2016 9:56:25 PM PDT by The Westerner ("Giving Away the Internet or Any Part of It Is Sheer Lunacy" Jim Robinson)
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To: dayglored

If it’s do or die for Windows, then die, Windows, die.


31 posted on 10/23/2016 9:57:33 PM PDT by suboptimal
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To: The Westerner

“Been putting the upgrade from XP to 7 off for a year...”

I’ve been a Windows user since 98. My advice is to do it. Win 7 is XP with a high gloss polish. You’re gonna like it.


32 posted on 10/23/2016 10:04:40 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: dayglored

Windows 10 really should be put out to pasture, in Antarctica.


33 posted on 10/23/2016 10:11:15 PM PDT by matthew fuller ( Putrefaction is what the Clintons brought to America. The fly is their perfect symbol.)
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To: rockrr
> I wasn’t there for XP but I was there for Win-95.

Myself, been using Windows since Version 2.0. I thought 3.11 Windows for Workstations was the cat's meow. Win95 was okay but I really liked Win98SE, still have a copy running in a VM....

34 posted on 10/23/2016 10:16:54 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: TomGuy
> MS is ignoring a large segment of PC users — those who have significant reasons for still using XP and Win7, for example.

Yep. I'm running Win10 both at home and at work -- in VMs -- but where Windows is on the metal, it's Win7 all the way.

They can pry it FMCDH.

35 posted on 10/23/2016 10:19:15 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Secret Agent Man
> Before windows 95 windows 1, 2 and 3 were just gui shells overlaying the dos o/s.

Win95 and Win98 still were just GUI applications that ran over MS-DOS. They largely supplanted the MS-DOS underlayment with Windows equivalents, but it was still really a DOS app. WinME tried harder to hide that fact, and that's one of the things that made WinME such a dog.

It wasn't until Win2K (actually NT5) that an MS-DOS-less Windows was made available to the general public. (NT4 was a bit over the top for average users.)

And they still had to provide CMD.EXE because there are some things that a GUI just won't do.

36 posted on 10/23/2016 10:23:18 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: ConservativeMind
> How can a company get sales so wrong?

Because they really do think like this:

Microsoft Re-Designs the iPod Packaging

37 posted on 10/23/2016 10:26:08 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Windflier; The Westerner
> I’ve been a Windows user since 98. My advice is to do it. Win 7 is XP with a high gloss polish. You’re gonna like it.

I heartily second that recommendation. Win7 is significantly better than XP once you get used to the minor differences.

Incidentally, in about 5 minutes of tweaking display/desktop preferences, you can make it look almost identical to XP, if you wish to avoid the Vista-esque gloss.

38 posted on 10/23/2016 10:28:46 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Valk Rider
> Windows 7 Pro x64 is my all time favorite.

In my opinion, that particular release is the best version of Windows ever, before or after, hands down.

Well, Ultimate x64 has a couple more bells and whistles... but Pro is a perfect match for everything I do on Windows.

39 posted on 10/23/2016 10:31:34 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: matthew fuller
> Windows 10 really should be put out to pasture, in Antarctica.

It's the wave of the future, don'tcha know? :-)

For better or worse, it's gonna be the only Windows in town in about 4 years. Microsoft intends to kill off everything else one way or the other.

40 posted on 10/23/2016 10:33:17 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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