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What sank the Titanic? New documentary claims fire weakened hull
abc7chicago.com ^ | Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:41PM | Staff

Posted on 01/05/2017 1:48:18 PM PST by Red Badger

Did an intense fire on board R.M.S. Titanic lead to one of the worst disaster's in maritime history?

A new documentary by author and journalist Senan Molony suggests the emergence of pictures hidden in a forgotten album for a century prove that the supposedly unsinkable passenger ship was weakened by a smoldering coal fire even before it left on its catastrophic maiden voyage.

Titanic, which at the time of its sinking in 1912 was the biggest ship afloat, hit an iceberg in the north Atlantic on the night of April 14 and went down with the loss of about 1,500 lives. Some 700 people survived.

Molony said the existence of a fire inside one of the coal bunkers is well documented -- but its significance underplayed.

In the documentary Titanic: The New Evidence, broadcast on the UK's Channel 4 on New Year's Day, Molony reveals pictures taken in early April 1912 shortly before Titanic started its trans-Atlantic voyage. They show a mark on the White Star ocean liner's starboard side near the seat of the fire, and the point of the collision.

"The anomaly is exactly the place where it struck the iceberg," he told CNN.

Molony said his research suggests the intense fire in one of the coal bunkers, which were three storeys high, reached temperatures of around 1,000 degrees, warped the bulkhead steel and made it brittle.

"The bulkhead was not worthy of the name. It completely compromised the ship and led to an accelerated sinking -- Titanic couldn't stay afloat long enough for an effective rescue," he said.

Molony said the pictures were taken at the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast, Northern Ireland, by John Westbreech Kempster on the first two days of April 1912 -- just over a week before it sailed, bound for New York City.

In the documentary he describes the pictures as "the Titanic equivalent of Tutankhamun's tomb."

He told CNN that they were contained in an album which had been put up for sale at an auction in England at the time of the centenary in 2012.

The pictures immediately stirred his interest. The journalist who is political editor of the Irish Daily Mail had been interested in the Titanic story since he was a child.

After the discovery of the ship on the ocean floor in 1985 he researched and wrote a book about the Irish passengers on board.

"I'm really excited about some new evidence," he told CNN. "I've always been fascinated by why it (the Titanic) sped up towards an ice field."

He said his investigations suggest that workers in the boiler room may have been trying to clear the burning coal bunker -- and that the only place to put the coal was in the ship's furnaces, which would have made Titanic steam on at a higher speed.

Not everyone is convinced of the argument.

David Hill, former secretary of the British Titanic Society, told The Times newspaper: "There certainly was a fire. Was it a life-changer? It's my personal opinion that it didn't make a difference."

In a statement sent to CNN, the convention officer for the British Titanic Society Nikki Allen, said the documentary had "ignited discussion around the world."

"The program and its contents is certainly welcome," she said.

"It will enable us to encourage healthy discussion among our membership so that they can decide for themselves on information placed before them so as to inform their own opinion.

"Most satisfying to us, as I'm sure to other like-minded societies is the reaction to Senan Molony's presentation. It clearly shows that although the Titanic sank with great loss of life almost 105 years ago, the story of the vessel and her passengers and crew is still very much alive, for which we are grateful."


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies; Weather
KEYWORDS: coal; fire; iceberg; titanic
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1 posted on 01/05/2017 1:48:18 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

None of that was in the movie.. didn’t happen.


2 posted on 01/05/2017 1:51:31 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Red Badger

Jews sank the Titanic. Hello, IceBerg ?


3 posted on 01/05/2017 2:03:27 PM PST by stylin19a (Hey obamas-it's Ray Charles time - "Hit the Road Jack"...you know the rest)
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To: Red Badger
My issue with this theory is that the iceberg struck below the waterline, and the damage was below the waterline. A bunker fire may have reached 1,000°C, but the outside hull steel plates that were in contact with the water never could have reached temperatures high enough to compromise their strength.

Ever boil water in a paper cup on a campfire as a scout?

4 posted on 01/05/2017 2:03:42 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: stylin19a

Was a rapper, eh?...........


5 posted on 01/05/2017 2:03:56 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: Yo-Yo

Forensic testing of rivets from the bow plats indicate that they were substandard and not up to specs, so somebody was cheating the company. There were many things that added up to a disaster.................


6 posted on 01/05/2017 2:06:11 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: Red Badger
Many years ago a team of researchers retrieved a piece of the Titanic's hull from the ocean floor. It was subsequently put through an extensive series of metallurgical tests. In addition to the sample itself, the son of one of the workmen in the shipyard provided a divot: a slug of steel punched out of the hull plates for the rivets. It proved useful in comparing Titanic's steel prior to launch with whatever eighty-plus years of frigid seawater had done to it (it was determined that there had been no change in the metal's composition).

What they found was rather intriguing. Titanic's hull plating had a higher than normal sulfur content. In fact, it wouldn't have even made for good rebar. As a result Titanic's hull steel was EXCEPTIONALLY brittle already. Figure in the cold temperature acting upon it and it made it even worse. Instead of bending inward, the hull had pieces of it break off.

The Titanic was a disaster of materials as much as human hubris.

7 posted on 01/05/2017 2:06:36 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: Red Badger

Wilhelm Gustloff was a WAY worse disaster. Several times over.


8 posted on 01/05/2017 2:07:33 PM PST by jbrown7.62x39 (Holy crap. We really are gonna MAGA!! What a great time to be alive!)
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To: Red Badger

Dang, beat me to it! :-)


9 posted on 01/05/2017 2:07:38 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

See post #6...............


10 posted on 01/05/2017 2:08:01 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: stylin19a

Iceberg....Goldberg....Greenberg....what’s the difference?


11 posted on 01/05/2017 2:08:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: jbrown7.62x39

I’ve often wondered, even as a child, why they did not collect every mattress on that ship to use as life boats?.....................


12 posted on 01/05/2017 2:09:28 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: humblegunner

Titanic in Five Seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSdU8tbcHY


13 posted on 01/05/2017 2:09:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Red Badger

Had decrapio lost that poker hand, the ship would have left the pier those few seconds earlier, and would have missed that berg.


14 posted on 01/05/2017 2:10:40 PM PST by onedoug
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Had decrapio lost that poker hand, the ship would have left the pier those few seconds earlier, and would have missed that berg.

Someone should tell Leo, that if only they had Global Warming, there wouldn't have been any icebergs and the Titanic wouldn't have sunk.

15 posted on 01/05/2017 2:11:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Red Badger

Too much panic. Hundreds were trampled. Nearly 500 killed outright when the first Russian torpedo that slammed into her port side, struck a deck that had a drained swimming pool. All that tile came loose and acted as an enormous fragmentation grenade and killed everyone on the deck but 3 people. Almost 10,000 German civilians died. 9,400 and some change, I think


16 posted on 01/05/2017 2:13:37 PM PST by jbrown7.62x39 (Holy crap. We really are gonna MAGA!! What a great time to be alive!)
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To: Red Badger

May have multiplied the effect of the collision
but what sank the Titanic was the fact that the
water tight bulkheads did not completely seal
being open at the top. Once enough water came in
to put that compartment underwater the next would begin
to fill especially starting from forward.
It is possible that had the iceberg struck amidships
the remaining buoyancy would have been enough to
keep the bulkheads above water level.

Bunker fires were not that uncommon in the age of steam.


17 posted on 01/05/2017 2:15:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Red Badger

Also, only one lifeboat cleared the davits, but it fell and capsized. The rest weren’t dropped due to the unimaginable chaos


18 posted on 01/05/2017 2:16:02 PM PST by jbrown7.62x39 (Holy crap. We really are gonna MAGA!! What a great time to be alive!)
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To: Red Badger

I thought the Russians did it??


19 posted on 01/05/2017 2:18:26 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Ciaphas Cain
Figure in the cold temperature acting upon it and it made it even worse. Instead of bending inward, the hull had pieces of it break off.

that's what I remember from my metal training back in my navy nuclear power training. The Titanic was VERY BRITTLE, just waiting for a disaster. IT broke instead of bending.


20 posted on 01/05/2017 2:21:31 PM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama is doing)
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