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President Trump vs. House Freedom Caucus: Politics and Game Theory (vanity)
3-30-2017 | Self

Posted on 03/30/2017 1:13:04 PM PDT by Luircin

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To: Luircin

I don’t dislike Trump. I thank God for Trump. If it were not for Trump - we’d be looking at a boozy falling down hag as president.


81 posted on 03/30/2017 2:52:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Luircin

Nice summary.

To me there’s too much being stated without a clear idea of what the end game positions are...

Trump is a negotiator and in his way moving the ball towards that while keeping all of his options open.

The MSM , Fox include likes to comment as if they know the end.....


82 posted on 03/30/2017 2:53:07 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Cboldt

I’m very pleased he could be bothered today to specifize his AM attack with this recent tweets. Perhaps our flat-lining on him was immediately apparent. Or perhaps Bannon had to sieze him and shake him.


83 posted on 03/30/2017 2:53:10 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl
-- Perhaps our flat-lining on him was immediately apparent. --

Good to know his bubble can be pierced. At least for now.

84 posted on 03/30/2017 2:55:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Country’s not lost. Consider the millions of bright minds who would be leading the nation right now if Jarrett/Holder hadn’t specifically excluded them from public service for 8 whole years, or, 50% of the most productive time of their lives.


85 posted on 03/30/2017 3:01:57 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Responsibility2nd

My mistake; apologies.


86 posted on 03/30/2017 3:05:21 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: txhurl
-- Country's not lost. --

Not yet, but it's founding principles are long gone (a substantial part of our jurisprudence was made up out of thin air by SCOTUS - and that is not the only substantial deviation), and with universal suffrage, there is no way to reverse course.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pleased that Trump won. But the fact that Hillary was even a candidate, and the fact that Obama won, twice, is evidence of the ultimate destiny that universal suffrage has in store.

87 posted on 03/30/2017 3:08:00 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Responsibility2nd

Trump is a patriotic American and no hes not what we would call social conservative. His goals include getting reelected in 2020 where he can be much more aggressive on his goals.

That said the position of the HFC is hard line repeal only. I agree with that but we all know that will fail in DC if not right away then when the DIMS steal their next presidency. That or a court will strike it down.

Trump needs DIM voters for 20 and is actively courting them, see the Flint MI money for example... he has to handle the set ups to impeach him and sabotage him in the meantime. Hence why hes not telling the Judges to go to hell. Also why the push to “Replace” not just repeal.

So do I expect him to be social conservative? Nope not during the first term at least. Hes trying to goad the HFC to the table and hopefully put pressure on the Rino crowd to make the HFC happy enough to sign on.

I would not be surprised if this dance goes on at least 4 times.


88 posted on 03/30/2017 3:11:46 PM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Defiant

Well, by ‘Nasty’ I don’t mean ‘bad’ or ‘evil.’

I probably should have come up with a better term for it, but that’s how I learned it.

What I mean is that the HFC negotiated in a way that was uncooperative. They were unwilling to give or compromise, and when Trump thought that he HAD their votes, they suddenly called up and changed their minds and/or increased their demands.

In game theory—at least how I learned it—those kind of tactics fall into the ‘Nasty’ category. That is, you try ONLY for what YOU want, and you close the door on any chance to cooperate or give and take, and sometimes even lie or negotiate in bad faith.

Sometimes that may be desirable, sometimes not; it’s just a name for how to run a business negotiation—or in this case a caucus negotiation. However, Trump’s reaction to what happened was exactly according to the Tough but Fair strategy; he started using the same tactics back on them.

I believe that Trump and the HFC have the same or at least similar goals. But the way the two groups pursued them led them into conflict, and in game theory and the business world, Trump gave, very broadly, the textbook reaction.


89 posted on 03/30/2017 3:14:06 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well said. And Paul Ryan, Lyndsey Graham and John McCain thank you for your support.

They're on your team, not mine.

90 posted on 03/30/2017 3:14:47 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: be-baw

Thank you!

I’ll try not to let it go to my head, ha ha.


91 posted on 03/30/2017 3:17:08 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Mechanicos

Sounds accurate. Trump is working out a way to negotiate the deal.


92 posted on 03/30/2017 3:19:06 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Defiant

Just a little addition to my last reply.

If it were the case of, say, Obozo, ‘Nasty’ would probably be the tactic that we would try all the time, mostly because he would never be anything except towards us. To be ‘Nasty’ would be the correct move there because he’d never be anything different, and to be Nice would just be to get taken advantage of.

So when I say ‘Nasty,’ I don’t mean ‘bad,’ just non-cooperative.


93 posted on 03/30/2017 3:20:31 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Luircin

When dealing with lawyers sometimes you need to step on their toes to get their respect.


94 posted on 03/30/2017 3:23:26 PM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Mechanicos

True that!


95 posted on 03/30/2017 3:25:42 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Mechanicos

lol.. ‘the mating dance of the puffed NY prairie-chicken and the RINO hens.’

Good post, I agree he needs to get busy working the center again, but have a little better aim with that ‘friendly fire.’


96 posted on 03/30/2017 3:26:47 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks!

I’ll try not to let it go to my head.


97 posted on 03/30/2017 3:35:24 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Luircin
Well, as to Obamacare, it may be that the HFC falls into the category you mentioned where neither side wants to cooperate. The HFC wants something (as do I, a committed pro-Trump freeper) that constitutes repeal, not some RYNO tinkering at the margins. With Rynocare, there may have been very little ground for compromise, if Trump was actually going to support it, as opposed to posturing to keep good relations with Ryan. I thought that may have been what he was doing, but the way he has acted about it, I think he may have really wanted that piece of dog crap to pass. I'm glad it didn't. However, if the HFC negotiated in bad faith, and agreed to things and then changed their minds, that is a different story, and they should be criticized for that.

Conservatives have been the ones most delighted by Trump's conservative administration. It has been more conservative than Reagan so far. Trump should not be creating division with us and siding with the "moderates" who will stab him in the back if they ever get a chance.

98 posted on 03/30/2017 3:39:42 PM PDT by Defiant (The media is the colostomy bag where truth goes after democrats digest it.)
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To: Luircin
they negotiated in bad faith

baloney.

99 posted on 03/30/2017 3:44:02 PM PDT by Theophilus (Repent)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
But most "conservatives" ARE the enemy. They want Trump to fail for purely phallic-victory reasons

I thought Trump assured us there was no problem.

100 posted on 03/30/2017 3:48:50 PM PDT by Theophilus (Repent)
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