Posted on 03/30/2017 1:13:04 PM PDT by Luircin
Maybe this will calm some tensions? I hope so at least; I don't like the mood of FR lately.
They shouldn’t feel betrayed.
you campaign on repealing O-Care on the first day in 2016. real world: you should put Mo Brooks one sentence bill up for a vote TO REPEAL OBOZO CARE
blah, blah, blah...
bullcrap !
Pres. Trump’s tweet connected the Freedom Caucus with the RATS.
Houdini out of that.
Keep going down that path and put the House and\or Senate in jeopardy in 2018.
I don’t know what game President Trump is playing, but it is a dangerous one.
I worked hard to be rid of the weasel Eric Cantor and to stop the plan to pass Rubio’s amnesty in June of 2014.
They had planned to pass it the day after the primary when we Cantorized our weasel to get the issue off the table to clear the way for Yeb!
If we had not done that, there would be no President Trump.
Anyone threatening to primary Dave Brat becomes my political opponent by their own choosing.
You’ve over analyzed this. Too much blah, blah, blahhhh. I can explain this in 5 simple words.
Trump is not a conservative.
This is all anyone needs to know in understanding why Trump continually targets conservatives as the enemy.
In fact, it was Trump who was betrayed. Freedom Caucus got what they wanted and an open invitation to pretty much come back and discuss and negotiate for whatever they wanted. Instead, they double crossed the President at the last minute on "purity grounds" that they themselves didn't even advance in direct negotiations with the President, thus basically saying that their votes were secured.
The "Freedom Caucus" basically operated as bad faith negotiators, and it is clear from their conduct that their real intention all along was to make sure the bill fails just to hurt the President. Most of these TruCon types are pathological, run by big donors, and have fantasies about running for President in 2020.
Says who? Changed goalposts? Ryan's bill was kept secret for weeks. Moreover, what is negotiation except changing demands?
Perfectly accurate. These are NeverTrumpers. If they weren't NeverTrumpers, then they wouldn't have done everything they could to convince the President they had what they wanted and that the vote was secure, only to turn around and screw him over at the last minute, without even any attempt to go back to the negotiating table.
My take is that Trump is simply trying to position himself in the middle as a PR move.
Schumer keeps publicly lambasting him that he campaigned as a populist but his agenda is far right.
Apparently Trump and the Freedom Caucus are getting along fine behind the scenes.
Also, I take it the Trump team has concluded that Ryan is there to stay. So they have to work with him, even if it means Ryan and the Chamber of Commerce are going to fight him every inch of the way on the wall, restricting immigration, amnesty, H1bs, tariffs, etc. and trying to get tax reduction from Trump quickly without having to give in on other issues.
Ryan winning reelection easily in the last election will prove a costly hit to the interests of the American people.
Did you even read the article?
Or are you just knee-jerking?
I’m putting my money on knee-jerking.
Helpful.
For me the question is whether the Leadership started the ‘nasty’ by excluding Freedom Caucus from writing the bill.
Or whether the Freedom Caucus started the ‘nasty’ by refusing to participate in it’s writing.
Whichever it is should change.
Everytime I try to second guess what Trump is thinking or saying or doing, he ends up being right.
How many times have we listened to that Jack@ss Johan Goldberg rant about Trump Tweeting, only to see that Trump was ahead of everyone.
I’m supporting Trump 100%. I think he’s the only adult in the room. He can’t stand delay, and BS. He wants things done.
Ryan screwed up, IMO, but Trump is not sitting around with the blame game. The senate could make their own changes to the House bill in sync with the FC, then send it back.
IOWs, the final bill could be vastly different fromt he first.
In short, I’m backing Trump. I don’t anyone here knows what they’re talking about.
Everytime I try to second guess what Trump is thinking or saying or doing, he ends up being right.
How many times have we listened to that Jack@ss Johan Goldberg rant about Trump Tweeting, only to see that Trump was ahead of everyone.
I’m supporting Trump 100%. I think he’s the only adult in the room. He can’t stand delay, and BS. He wants things done.
Ryan screwed up, IMO, but Trump is not sitting around with the blame game. The senate could make their own changes to the House bill in sync with the FC, then send it back.
IOWs, the final bill could be vastly different fromt he first.
In short, I’m backing Trump. I don’t anyone here knows what they’re talking about.
u lose.
IMHO the so-called conservatives are something else. They haven't accomplished much in the last 28 years, except to fool us into voting for them. And, when they get to D.C., they become the establishment personified.
I fully expect the game, but DJT presuming to tell we voters who we will or won’t turn out of their seats on his demand over OUR healthcare system is a bit, well, presumptuous.
Not a good demonstration of empathy for those of us crying for representation.
But most "conservatives" ARE the enemy. They want Trump to fail for purely phallic-victory reasons, plus many of them, especially the professional ones, want amnesty, "free trade," and even Obamacare, because they make more money and function better as an opposition party. I realized this when I learned that the Freedom Caucus had basically gotten everything they demanded from Trump, but then at the last minute they sabotaged the vote in a way that could only have one intention: embarrassing the President and making the vote fail. Otherwise, why didn't they go back and demand more stuff during the negotiations? Why did they lead the President to believe their votes were secure? They didn't know what was in the bill until the day before the vote? I don't think so. And even then, why not go directly to the President, which they had an open invitation for, and sort it out?
Ideological Conservatism IS the enemy because, at the end of the day, it is not what any of us were told it is. Most of us are natural "conservatives" in a purely patriotic sense. We have a lot of this ideology integrated into us for purely tribalistic reasons. But the people moving and shaking the conservative movement are not nationalists of any sort. They believe in an utopian economic religion that can only work and function as an opposition party, or a party that has, at best, one or two issues, and none of those issues involve anything America is actually suffering from. Just look at Ted Cruz defending Chinese manufacturing on the debate stage. These people are tone death.
If "conservatism" is to survive, it is going to need a significant overhaul, and it must be substantially nationalistic and guided by common sense. The neurotic people posing as our thought-leaders and politicians are out there right now adopting babies from the third world and learning to speak Chinese.
If you’re to believe Poe and the other reports that came out about the HFC’s tactics, and the lack of contradiction and correction, then yes.
And ‘changing their demands’ means ‘agreeing to vote in one way if these demands are met and then changing your mind AFTER the deal has been struck.’
That is genuine Nasty in terms of game theory. I’m not saying that it’s good or bad, please note. It’s a tactic, nothing more. But it IS the kind of tactic that has a very specific meaning in the business world. And using it marks you.
I don’t like the mood of FR lately.
Me too.
The left never gets critical on itself.
So they beat up Trump and many on our side now too.
I am not saying accept everything that Trump does but for now show support. This is critical time.
Oh worse than when Reagan was in office.
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