Posted on 03/30/2017 1:13:04 PM PDT by Luircin
They also want to repeal Obamacare.
The entire GOP, Freedom Caucus included, are energizing the Democrats by basically working to make sure each and every one of Trump's policies fail simply because they want Trump to fail. They're already threatening border wall funding and Gorsuch. Do you think the Freedom Caucus is going to actually fight for the border wall, or are they going to make some noises about it and then support Paul Ryan, McCain, et al., insuring the wall never gets funded? They will keep at it for every one of his policies, and it really doesn't matter what you say or think about it. It's just a fact that these people are NeverTrumpers.
The only thing to do now is to fight them hard, or embarrass them into submission, rule by executive authority, and prepare to primary as many of them as possible.
Why do you read so much into it???
Isn’t there room for anyone, who is a conservative, who campaigned in their own districts on repeal, who believed it would happen, who believes in free market principles, to simply say: “NO, The Ryan Bill is bad and doesn’t meet that my standard.”
What you and everyone else is giving me is hype about “game theory,” or Koch Brothers, or Club for Growth secret money, or future political ambitions, or #NeverTrumpers, blah, blah, blah
It was a well presented article on game theory, but most are too emotionally driven to consider beyond the immediate move and most react with raw emotion. It’s easier than thinking to go into “monkey brain mode”.
Then there is another whole facet where people take what the press writes as truth, especially if it is cast as “bad”. People will inherintly believe a “bad” story. The press being what the press is, are only too willing to push an endless supply of flat-out lies as long as they show Trump in a bad light.
One of the classic psychological moves by a passive aggressive type, and the press is totally passive aggressive if not downright hostile, is to play a game called “Lets you and him fight”. The MSM is using a tactic of attempting to split up the conservative base by continuously pitching stories about infighting among Republicans. Are the stories true? Does it matter? What matters to the press is narrative, not truth.
you get to build the straw man and get to pick the choices then chose what fits your scenario ? beautiful !
and I am talking about your response to me, not your crap analysis.
you are wrong and you still lose.
Nothing to engage.
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I hope this is just a big fight so we can all have make up sex later.
Then engage me, sweetheart. Show me where I’m wrong. Show me the flaws in my hypothesis that Trump is working on systematically implementing his original agenda via Tough but Fair game theory.
Or are you just going to gainsay me with no evidence whatsoever and then proclaim victory while throwing a tantrum?
The answer is of course the second.
Allow me to laugh in your face, nasty little child.
A lot of this talk is about misled Freepers, as well as phony Freepers, picking a hill to die on and convincing others to die on it with them.
I don’t consider Dave Brat a good hill for such purposes.
One of the more interesting and totally irrational parts of US politics is the president making promises about what Congress is going to do.
“They also want to repeal Obamacare.”
Why do you read so much into it???
Isn’t there room for anyone, who is a conservative, who campaigned in their own districts on repeal, who believed it would happen, who believes in free market principles, to simply say: “NO, The Ryan Bill is bad and doesn’t meet that my standard.”
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I really enjoy game theory and some of Trump’s most common descriptors have been ‘tough but fair.’ To me, it was obvious from the beginning that this was how it was playing out, and the recent HFC conflict just made it more clear... to me at least. But that’s partially because it falls into my passion.
I don’t think that you quite grasped the point I was trying to make.
I never said that the HFC was wrong in opposing Ryancare. I was simply talking about their tactics and the results from them. They got a large victory, but they did so in a way that, according to game theory, would be defined as Nasty. Not ‘bad’ or ‘evil,’ but uncooperative.
A ‘no’ vote that nevertheless bargained in a manner that would be considered Nice according to game theory wouldn’t have set Ryancare up for as large a defeat, but it also wouldn’t have provoked this response.
And according to game theory and Tough but Fair, this is the natural reaction to a faction that acts in that manner.
You may not like it, but it IS consistent.
There IS room for no votes, but I’m not talking ideology; I’m talking tactics. I’m talking about how they played the game.
One of the more interesting and totally irrational parts of US politics is the president making promises about what Congress is going to do.
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Thus why I brought game theory into it.
If Trump could dictate to Congress then it wouldn’t be game theory; it’d just be King Donald the First.
Instead, we have factions with different goals and different tactics, and I believe that this is the way that Trump is pursuing his stated goals.
Yeah, you can tell he has no experience with the Texan mind until he had to run against one and hire others for his cabinet.
Someone needs to tell him to choose his play/fake fightin’ words and taunts a little more carefully, ‘cuz we’re kinda literal down here when it comes to threats.
from what I can see, there are at least 2 Trumps:
1. The EO Trump-who can say that his actions are not conservative in regard to EPA, pipeline, immigrations, etc, etc
2.The legislative Trump-I think he’s having trouble playing/learning this game. He is developing his own strategy, who knows if it will succeed, but the only faith I can have is based upon his EO actions which tell me that he wants to MAGA and that he is no idealogical democrat.
When push comes to shove, and given the piss poor state were in, I can only be thankful every day that Cunton was not elected.
Yes, that’s a very nice view of Trump’s tweet.
In point of fact, what I’m trying to do is show how that tweet is a natural part of Tough but Fair game theory.
Do you have a counter-argument?
When push comes to shove, and given the piss poor state were in, I can only be thankful every day that Cunton was not elected.
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Yep. Even if we are stuck with ObamaCare.
At least we don’t have Hillary as prez.
2.The legislative Trump-I think he’s having trouble playing/learning this game. He is developing his own strategy, who knows if it will succeed, but the only faith I can have is based upon his EO actions which tell me that he wants to MAGA and that he is no idealogical democrat.
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I imagine it’ll take about six months before Trump feels comfortable enough to be firing on all cylinders legislation-wise. I think that anyone would have a tough time trying to deal with what makes Congress tick, not to mention all the different factions. Especially when it’s getting to the point where many members of Congress are just sock puppets for lobbyist money.
As it is, I do believe that my analysis is consistent with Tough but Fair.
But at the end of the day, it was Trump or Hillary; there were no other choices. Thank you Lord that it turned out to be Trump!
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