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Posted on 04/07/2017 8:34:55 PM PDT by Rusty0604
Courtesy of Travis McGee; I keep this handy on my FR profile page. It deserves to be on this thread in its entirety:
“The True History of the Southwest, 101”
The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the “Aztlan” fairy tales. What’s the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The “conquistadores” (that means “conquerors”) did it with the lance, and the lash.
For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the “lost cities of gold.” One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest—not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the “new bronze race of Mestizos” toro-mierda.
By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow the even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.
For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.
Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves “Mexicans” at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a “Mexican!”
So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.
Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.
And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some “historical claim” of a right to live there?
From where does this absurd idea spring?
At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn’t happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.
In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!
NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.
They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.
It’s time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.
Thank you for posting the correct history of the southwest.
So they want to renegotiate a deal almost 200 years old. 10 generations. What is next England will sue to get the East Coast back?
What a joke if Mexico wishes to revisit its inept war for California circa 1800’s. At least history books from back then cannot be taken off the internet as “fake news.”. A great book which covers the half-assed attempt by Mexico to retain control of California during that era is “Men to Match My Mountains” by Irving Stone a history of the settling if the West. Mexico, via La Raza, is making it up as it goes along because it’s getting away with it in our weakened country. The Men to match the mountains are being emasculated one by one in grammar schools across this dying country.
If Mexico still owned California, Texas and the Southwest, that area would all look just like Mexico does today.
Remember the Alamo!
Sure, give them CA. In ten years it will look like the rest of messyco. Then what?
Demographics = destiny.
They understand how to hasten the process.
Keep in mind, these are the same people who imagine that Trump is somehow guilty of treason.
trade California to Mexico in exchange for the promise that all of their citizens currently in the US relocate there?
Wouldn’t that be the natural outcome of declaring the state a sanctuary state? It’d be akin to a roach motel or an ant trap.
.... rightful claim to ownership of Texas, California and the entire Southwest of the United States....
Well, if you believe the pdf 0bama posted to the Whitehouse web site is a true representation of a Government document, then you will believe ANYTHING
See post #18.
Well there ya go — this is exactly the reason why we should not tolerate illegals.
It is Trojan horse invasion and take over.
And for all of those people who claim that Mexico owned CA, they only owed it for 20 years. The United States has owned it for much longer.
***The New York Times has just published an op-ed article saying that Mexico may give up its rightful claim to ownership of Texas, California and the entire Southwest of the United States,****
Nonsense. The USA gave MEXICO millions in GOLD to renounce all claim to the North. And later did it again with the Gadsden Purchase.
If the USA had wanted Mexico, they could have kept it as the Mexican Government fled and the USA occupied ALL OF MEXICO for several months. Our Southern border could be Guatemala. Instead, Mexico dreams of a Canadian northern border.
I recall Pat Buchanan saying in an interview that in negotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, the U.S. offered Mexico $8,000,000 for all of Baja California and the Mexican government rejected it. All that resort property for a mere $8 million. Wow.
Using this retard’s logic then Mayan’s still own southern Mexico. Next France and Spain could still lay claim to Mexico.
Sure.....
There was an apathetic typically Mexican run war to keep ownership of Cal. As usual, Mexico was a disorganized country who obviously had more than enough in its own geographical area to deal with, thus let Calif win. Ca was actually Spanish owned anyway.
How do they ‘splain invading states like Pa,Va and NC then?
“We the People” are certainly not benefiting from it.
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