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To: DoodleDawg
“Lay the blame for them at the feet of Jefferson Davis and the Confederate leadership.”

My good friends across the Mason-Dixon aisle usually do.

Your post reminds me of post 120 on this thread:

“But South Carolina made it clear that unless slavery was protected, they would not approve the Constitution. It was only the first example of northern states being forced to go along with something they found abhorrent in order to preserve the union.”

In other words, South Carolina forced New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Delaware, and Maryland - all states that fought for Lincoln - to vote slavery into the constitution and were FORCED to take slavery dividends and grow wealthy.

Later, those same states were forced to fight a war they did not want to destroy the slavery that they voted to enshrine in the constitution. That's what they teach in public schools today and on the Internet.

507 posted on 05/14/2017 9:09:40 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem; DoodleDawg
jeffersondem: "Later, those same states were forced to fight a war they did not want to destroy the slavery that they voted to enshrine in the constitution.
That's what they teach in public schools today and on the Internet."

Contraband of war, addressed at length in my post #506 just above.
We should note that for months Lincoln himself opposed making slavery the prime issue of war, hoping Confederates would stop fighting soon, on terms which did not require abolition.
But as the war dragged on & on, Lincoln's terms became increasingly tough -- "contraband of war" became emancipation plus enlistment of 175 United States Colored Troop regiments.
As late as early 1865 Lincoln offered to pay compensation for emancipation, but Confederates refused.
Finally, by war's end emancipation became the 13th amendment, abolishing slavery nationwide, no compensation for slaveholders.

So what began at Fort Sumter as Lincoln's attempt to resupply Union troops and Jefferson Davis's military action against Union "assailing" Confederate "integrity" ended as a war "to make men free".

Of course, jeffersondem knows all this, every bit, but is just too, too too clever to let it stand as is.
It's way more fun to twist it one way, then the other way, and then back again.
Jeffersondem imagines, I'd suppose, the truth itself twisting in his wind.

508 posted on 05/14/2017 11:06:24 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: jeffersondem
My good friends across the Mason-Dixon aisle usually do.

While you lay all the blame with Lincoln.

510 posted on 05/15/2017 3:45:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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