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To: Swordmaker
Comparable "loaded" PC built from similar components:
31 posted on 06/05/2017 1:55:57 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
> ...I'm unsure that the components I selected above will meet (much less exceed) the hardware that Apple will integrate into the new iMac Pro... Don't forget Apple gets to work with OEMs to tune onboard chips and circuitry with their own hardware code.

PRECISELY.

Apple is a SYSTEM company. Hardware and software that are developed together as an integrated, coherent whole entity.

During much of my engineering career I was a "systems" engineer, just as much as a hardware engineer, and more than I was a software engineer. It's the hardest of the three, if you do it right.

A box of hardware components can make a hardware box, and a generic operating system like Windows can operate that box, but it's not like the OS and that hardware were designed from the get-go to work as an integrated unit.

When I pony up my hard-earned cash for a piece of Apple gear, it's because it was designed to work as a whole, not as a bunch of separate parts that were convinced to cooperate with each other using a hammer, spit and piano wire, and prayer.

But I say this proudly as a 30-year user of Windows:

The outstanding triumph of Windows is that it works reasonably well on the incredibly heterogeneous, and often miscellaneous and haphazard, collections of components that people install it on.
There is plenty of room in the world for both approaches. But let's not make the mistake of trying to compare them on the basis of simple things like price and hardware specs. The approaches are apples and oranges.
54 posted on 06/05/2017 5:07:01 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: The KG9 Kid
Call it $10,000 for a comparable PC workstation running MS Windows, or a fizz-bzzt-bang-pop Linux system with dubious driver support and reliability.

That's a false comparison. The BASE iMac Pro starts at $5k. The specs you're comparing it to is the fully loaded super-expensive one, whose price Apple hasn't mentioned yet. Do you seriously believe Apple would ever have a system that's cheaper than any other company at comparable specs? Have you ever seen one?

Here's a better list for you, going off the base specs from Apple's website:

* So, the base iMac Pro will have the Vega 56, and your full load guy has the Vega 64. The 56 is spec-wise in between the GeForce GTX 1070 and 1080, which cost $400 and $700. - $600
* G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory - $230
* SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 1TB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $340
* Intel Core i7-5960X Haswell-E 8-Core 3.0 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W Desktop Processor (Most expensive 8-core I could find, you can get some as low as $3-400) - $1080
* Sure, we'll stick with your motherboard - $1000
* Same with your monitor, though I don't understand why people would buy that much resolution in such a small screen, it's useless - $1500

And there ya go - we come up with half the cost you estimated, and that's with me picking the more expensive options in each quick search. Going price-concious, I'm sure you can bring the price down closer to $4k, maybe even lower.
71 posted on 06/06/2017 7:34:34 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: The KG9 Kid; Svartalfiar; roadcat; dayglored
KG9, I was looking over the Apple specs and I found that Apple would be using either the latest Xeon Gold or Xeon Platinum processor in their new iMac Pro. They don't really say which one, bet they give a hint in the RAM speed that it has to be one or the other.

They list the RAM as 2666 MHz. The only Intel Xeon processors that can drive that fast a RAM are the new Kaby Lake generation Xeon Gold and Platinum processors. Apple gives another hint in the TurboBoost speed of 4.5GHz.TurboBoost speed is at most half again in addition to the regular clock speed. Ergo, the standard clocking of the processor has to be around 3GHz or so. The 8 core Xeon Gold processor runs at 3.2 GHz while the 18 core Xeon processor runs at 3.0 GHz. Both support 2666 MHz ECC RAM. . . But the Platinum has too many cores.

. The 2 ½ year old (Jan. 2015) $3400 version 3, 2.4GHz Xeon E5 processor you selected for your top end is nowhere nearly in the ballpark of being the equivalent of either of those processors. That 2.4 GHz could probable TurboBoost to only 3.4 GHz, and the ECC RAM is slower. I suspect that the retail cost of these new processors is easily double what you quoted for that much older version 3 E5. Last years' E5s (now called Gold) that come close but don't support 2666 MHz RAM are over $7700 per unit according to Intel! The Gold and Platinum processors are not yet priced.

79 posted on 06/07/2017 12:08:27 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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