iMac Pro
Posted on 06/08/2017 5:34:59 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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Here’s hoping the iMac Pro learns from the Mac Pro’s mistakes (LINK ONLY - ARStechnica)
You’re the name caller here.
Apple is the Model for Liberal Crooked Corporations and you are a shill for them. It’s nearly all Apple all the time.
You run a commercial operation promoting apple products reposting press releases from Apple.
Well, maybe next year.
With PCIE 5.0 in the wings, Apple relying on Lightning 40gbs is going to seem slow as molasses.
Will Apple solve their overheating problems?
At least you wouldn’t be stuck with the Apple version of real software.
You've been told hundreds of time that I manage the Apple Ping List on Free Republic. I make ZERO money for doing this. YOU ARE A REPEATED LIAR AND PROVEN ON EVERY ONE OF THESE THREADS. Any thing you post is refuted and shown to be false. Give it a rest. Jim Robinson has given his blessing to Tech Threads on FR. . . so quit trying to be a self-appointed admin moderator. Quit lying about me.
I call you what you are. A thread troll.
> S: You've been told hundreds of time that I manage the Apple Ping List on Free Republic. I make ZERO money for doing this ... Give it a rest. Jim Robinson has given his blessing to Tech Threads on FR. . . so quit trying to be a self-appointed admin moderator.
As the FReeper who runs the Windows/Microsoft Ping List, I'll add something here for ImJustAnotherOkie:
And I suggest you get some help for your apparent illness that causes you to constantly pee in the punchbowl every chance you get. The many hundred FReepers on the Apple Ping List who read these threads do not appreciate having to put up with your effluvia.
Thanks, and have a wonderful day, elsewhere.
I oppose Apple for a number of reasons and have been a past customer.
My criticism was always pointed to Apple not SM. His replies are always personal in nature, very thin skinned. Lots of Liar, Stupid, and Ignorant comments. You absolutely never hear that kind of stuff coming from me. The worst you hear from me is telling someone they are spouting nonsense.
Then get over it, for cripes sake. It's just a computer company, not your next door neighbor you can't stand. Or if you can't get over it, at least vent on your own threads -- you could post "I Hate Apple" vanity threads; there's nothing stopping you.
> My criticism was always pointed to Apple not SM. His replies are always personal in nature, very thin skinned. Lots of Liar, Stupid, and Ignorant comments. You absolutely never hear that kind of stuff coming from me. The worst you hear from me is telling someone they are spouting nonsense.
LOL. Oh come on, do you think I haven't read your past posts? You constantly accuse him of negative cr@p of which you have neither knowledge nor proof (getting paid by Apple for posting here, among others).
Your Apple hate posts on pro-Apple threads are unnecessary (and unwanted, etc.). You're just trolling, and you d@mn well know it.
So, I sincerely hope you find the motivation to post your own "I Hate Apple" threads. I promise you I won't post on them, other than to thank you FOR STAYING OFF THE PRO-APPLE THREADS.
Deal?
Have a pleasant day.
As you know, I run the Windows Ping List, and post a decent number of Windows related threads, pro and con, some critiques, some warnings, some rah-rah about new releases or features.
Unfortunately, anti-Windows posts have started flooding my Windows threads with "I Hate Windows" comments, to the point where the pro-Windows folks have no place to have a reasonable discussion, much less express happiness about what they like about it.
So maybe I'm feeling a bit of Swordmaker's frustration with your constant "I Hate Apple" litany on the Apple threads, in part because people like you, who hate Windows and troll the Windows threads, are RUINING IT for everybody else. The Apple threads have been down that road before, to the point where JimRob actually intervened and personally called a Cease-Fire.
That's why I'm asking you to try to back off a bit. Trolling has nearly destroyed the Apple list in the past, it's threatening to destroy the Windows list, and now the Apple list is getting it again.
Posting your own "I Hate Apple" threads is easy. Go for it. Like I said above, the only comments I'd make on such a thread would be my thanks.
-- Dayglored
What would ALGORE do?
It will take some serious thought, planning, and research to open one properly.
I had a gizmo called a Thunderscan, an optical scanner that replaced the ribbon cartridge in an Imagewriter. It drew power from the floppy port. It wasn't designed to stay on for long, and I walked away and forgot that it was plugged in. The Plus had no hard drive and hence no cooling fan, so its power supply was pretty wimpy.
If the i7, 4GB video, 32GB RAM, and 2TB hybrid drive in the $4,199 Surface Studio are "more than adequate," so are the i7, 8GB video, 32GB RAM, and 2TB hybrid drive in the $3,099 iMac that is shipping today. For the price of the Surface, you could use aftermarket RAM and move up to a 2TB pure SSD. Prices and specs from the Microsoft and Apple sites, respectively.
Quit your bragging about your mythical PC makers being able to make cheaper Xeon based PCs than Apple and show us.
I've shown you that PC makers' current products that DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MATCHING the announced iMac Pro's specs are FAR MORE EXPENSIVE than the Mac Pro, but you keep blithering about how the PC maker's could easily beat that Mac Pro's price but you are unwilling to put up or shut up. These PC workstation makers have YET to do it.
In fact, the Xeon processors to do so are ALONE MORE EXPENSIVE than the iMac Pro's retail price!
Don't make more baseless claims about desktop grade PCs, using desktop grade processors and RAM such as the Microsoft Surface Studio, JUIST SHOW US the "cheaper" PC Xeon solutions with the same 3.2 Xeon Gold or Xeon I7 equivalent processors (which are NOT several year old slow and outdated).
While you are at it, you can also QUIT calling a workstation grade computer with a workstation grade processor with ECC RAM just a "WOW factor" which demonstrates you don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to workstations.
The following is the Dell Workstation configured to as closely match the iMac Pro using the Dell Precision 5000 Workstation with a Xeon® Processor E5-1660 v4 (8C, 3.2GHz, 3.8GHz Turbo, 2400MHz, 20MB, 140W), 23GBs of 2400GHz ECC DDR4 RAM, a 1TB high-speed SSD, Dell UltraSharp 27 4K HDR Monitor - UP2718Q.
Note the actual cost before applying Dell's traditional discounts: $10,853.12. After discounts, they can sell a lesser workstation than the $4,995 iMac Pro for $8,606.56!
That configuration is with SLOWER bus speed, and slower RAM, 2400GHz instead of 2666GHz. . . and a Xeon processor that will not Turbo Boost to 4.5GHz. It also has only a 4K 27" monitor, not a 5K. And, Adorno, it only costs a mere $3,611.56 MORE than the $4995 iMac Pro.
Where are your less expensive PCs that are better and more powerful?
You are free to try building the same thing with another Workstation class provider anytime, say HP. Try to come up with one that meets that list of specifications of the iMac Pro and includes the software suites.
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Meanwhile, the Surface Studio comes in a lot less expensively than the iMac Pro.
As for your claiming that the work done on a WORKSTATION CLASS XEON machine could easily be done on a $4199.00 Microsoft Surface Studio "desktop" computer, I say BS, Adorno.
That desktop machine is in no way even close to a workstation computer. It is incapable of EVER installing a workstation class processor. Similarly, it can never use Error Correcting RAM. Ergo, it can never be considered a WORKSTATION GRADE computer!
That non-ECC RAM installed on that computer is limited to 32GBs. NO MORE, while the Mac Pro workstation grade computer can be expanded to 128GBs or later more, when the modules are available that hold more RAM per module. 32GBs is nowhere near a WORKSTATION capacity that may be later needed. The iMac Pro RAM is user expandable beyond its shipping 32GBs.
Why did I call the MS Surface Studio a "desktop" computer? Simple. because it isn't, when compared to the iMac Pro. It certainly is not a workstation class machine.
In the instance of the top end Surface Studio, the processor is an Intel Core i7-6820HQ clocked at just 2.70 GHz—a MOBILE NOTEBOOK PROCESSOR, not even a desktop processor—with only FOUR (4) CORES—and only 2 memory channels! There's not much real work you can do with it.
You are claiming this FOUR CORE NOTEBOOK processor can handle the same jobs as the EIGHT (8) CORE WORKSTATION XEON GOLD 3.2GHz processor that ships with the Apple iMac Pro???
The logic board in the iMac Pro is specifically designed for the workstation grade Xeon Processor. The logic board on the MS Surface Pro is limited to only mount Intel i5 and i7 notebook processors.
There is NO WAY these are in the same class of power or abilities.
Video editors, engineers, and scientists generally have ZERO need to draw on a touch screen. Zero.
The monitors on the 5K iMac 27" are also higher resolution than the 192PPI of the MS Surface Studios too. . . and reproduce far better color gamut in over a billion colors.
Take a look at my response to Adorno above.
This is still debate still going on? Okay.
One point I should make from an earlier post is that I presumed the new Intel Xeon chip would occupy the same retail price point as the previous top end Xeon CPU did, as it’s generally Intel’s custom to do so. I openly clarified that in my original estimate.
Another point I want to make from the recent Apple WWDC is that Apple has announced development support for an external Thunderbolt 3 enclosure that can house three linked PCI-16x video adapters. I want to take a moment to pay myself on the back in prophesizing this about a year ago here on FR and I’m really surprised this reveal at WWDC didn’t get more attention for the reasons I’ll list below. The hardware support could have been cobbled together by a developer a year ago but the official Apple driver support for it wasn’t endorsed or permitted by Apple for those who tried. Now they’ve got talk of OpenGL 4.1 and an update to Metal API called ‘Metal2’ coming in High Sierra.
What this suggests is Apple is driving a fundamental shift in PC architecture from the big tower sheet metal “grandpa box” enclosure to modular external componentry thanks to CPU bus speeds now available outside traditional 90-degree angle slots on an enclosed motherboard. It was only a matter of time the moment that makers of high end enthusiast graphics cards noted one of their most problematic barriers is delivering cutting edge video technology within the constraints of the real estate allowed by the form factor of a card that will fit within an ATX computer case.
To wit: Have you seen some of the monstrous top end enthusiast video cards reaching the market? Some of them doubled up are as big as a Nintendo Wii console! There’s soon going to be no traditional PC cases or AT/ATX-form motherboards to reliably fit them or allow them to run in a thermally safe PC case environment, so the solution is to take it outside the box. No other option.
I think that this is what the newly updated Apple products are now slated to do. I wonder how long it’ll take for the IEEE and PC Consortium to catch up? Let me make another prediction that in five years anyone still using a PC — probably for gaming — will no longer have a big sheet metal box, but a notebook or MacMini-like device that’s just a life support system for external video adapters enclosed in a separate box explicitly for that purpose. Another telling point is that in the new iMac Pro the RAM and CPU are user-upgradable and Apple let that be discovered without comment. So, in that future case, why run Windows at all? Choose MacOS or Linux depending on your wallet and preferences.
Another thing I might predict is for Apple to release a Metal2 API for Linux users, and then the ball is in DirectX’s court.
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