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On this date in 1941

Posted on 06/22/2017 1:41:55 PM PDT by Bull Snipe

Adolf Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa. Four million German, Finn, Slovak, Hungarian, Italian, and Romanian soldiers in 180 divisions attacked the Soviet Union along 1800 miles of border. Supporting the German invasion were 3,350 tanks, 17,000 artillery pieces, 2,770 aircraft, 565,000 motor vehicles and 700,000 horses.


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To: Bull Snipe

My dad was in Okinawa. They were prepping to invade Japan. I have always been grateful to HST.


21 posted on 06/22/2017 2:35:59 PM PDT by o-n-money (We should rename California to Newer Mexico.)
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To: Bull Snipe

22 posted on 06/22/2017 2:48:18 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Bull Snipe

The Russian Front is lovely this time of year.

October-April, not so much.


23 posted on 06/22/2017 2:56:38 PM PDT by lurk
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To: o-n-money
My dad was in Okinawa. They were prepping to invade Japan. I have always been grateful to HST.

After the Trinity test succeeded, Truman didn't have a choice.

If he went ahead with the invasion with 500,000 casualties without dropping it, the democrat party would have been exterminated in the 46' elections.

24 posted on 06/22/2017 2:57:09 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I’ve sometimes wondered what would have happened if Hitler hadn’t moved east.”

Some thought the Soviets would eventually have invaded Germany. Think of what happens if either or both the Germans and Soviets have a nuclear bomb in 1948 and at war? In addition, both the Nazis and Soviets didn’t have a succession plans. Hitler’s health was poor. It would have really been destabilizing if Hitler and Stalin both died in 1953 of natural causes.


25 posted on 06/22/2017 3:06:03 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: Karl Spooner

Is there a specific story behind that picture? Are the women wearing some kind of uniform?


26 posted on 06/22/2017 3:11:53 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: o-n-money

My father served in the 3rd Army under Patton and 7th under Patch. He was in Belgium, Germany, and CZ. When the bomb was dropped on Japan, he was training for the invasion.

Needless to say, he was relieved.


27 posted on 06/22/2017 3:14:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Bull Snipe

In this day in 1941, the Demonrat Party officially broke off their long lived friendship with Adolf Hitler. All because he dared to attack their homeland.


28 posted on 06/22/2017 3:24:01 PM PDT by eyeamok (Idle hands are the Devil's workshop)
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To: Gay State Conservative

On this date in 1941 a lot of young men had no idea about where they would end up being in the years that followed.


29 posted on 06/22/2017 3:28:53 PM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: Gay State Conservative
I thought it was Spring of ‘41 when he invaded and by early ‘43 everybody but him knew that it was a huge mistake.

0312 June 22 1941. It was not the huge mistake we were led to believe in school in the '50s-mid '90s. It was an economic war fought ideologically. In fact my belief the reason for the attacks on Greece, Crete, and Russia was economic: oil, especially Ploesti in Romania and food and raw materials Germany did not have. The Soviets were at their weakest in June 1941 and already had plans in the works to attack in June 1942. This was the "we should win now but will lose later" roll of the dice much like Pearl Harbor. Hitler has been used by the German high command as an excuse for all of their mistakes.

30 posted on 06/22/2017 3:36:34 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: Bull Snipe

The Nazi invasion was one of the worst betrayals the world has ever seen. The USSR, and Ukraine in particular had suffered a decade of Stalin’s worst imaginable depredations.

There are numerous accounts that people in Belarus, Ukraine, etc briefly saw them as liberators. They knew the Germans to be educated and decent and thought finally Stalin’s terrors would end. They were shocked to find the Germans even worse.

That kind of betrayal of normal people would be like a rape victim seeing a cop shoot her rapist, and think she is saved, only to see the cop unbuckling his belt. It was a shame that fair or not, Germany will never fully shake.


31 posted on 06/22/2017 3:39:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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I wouldn't charactdrize the German invasion as anything close to the worst betrayal -- the fact alone that Hitler rose to power in part for his vow to exterminate communism would indicate that the pact between Germany and Russia was a temporary marriage of convenience. The only question was who would doublecross first.

One of the reasons Ukrainians welcomed the Germans so heartily was because, on top of the terrors wrought by Stalin, they figured the Germans would help them purge Jews, Romas, and Tatars from the country. Unfortunately the Nazis weren't substantially more impressed with ethnic Ukrainians than they were with the above mentioned groups, them being "inferior slavs" and all.

32 posted on 06/22/2017 3:56:54 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
One of the reasons Ukrainians welcomed the Germans so heartily was because, on top of the terrors wrought by Stalin, they figured the Germans would help them purge Jews, Romas, and Tatars from the country.

Before any other reason, they'd been starved by Stalin in the 1930s. If you lived through that, you might welcome any change of government yourself.

33 posted on 06/22/2017 4:02:35 PM PDT by x
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

i agree, Stalin knew Hitler hated Slavs, Jews, and Communists. Stalin was playing for time until 1942. This is one reason he was so adamant about not doing anything to provoke a German attack in ‘41 which led to a very poor defensive posture.


34 posted on 06/22/2017 4:04:26 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: Snickering Hound
n 48' Republicans ran Thomas Dewey, the biggest Republican dud until Mitt Romney.

Bob Dole would take offense at your assessment.

35 posted on 06/22/2017 4:05:34 PM PDT by fso301
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To: DesertRhino
The Nazi invasion was one of the worst betrayals the world has ever seen.

Only because they thought of the Germans as traditional Germans rather than Nazis.

36 posted on 06/22/2017 4:09:19 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

No story. It’s just a picture I found when I searhed for Barbarossa. Caught my attention because I never seen that one before.


37 posted on 06/22/2017 4:15:50 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Bull Snipe

Bad planning if you cannot win with four million German, Finn, Slovak, Hungarian, Italian, and Romanian soldiers in 180 divisions attacked the Soviet Union along 1800 miles of border. Supporting the German invasion were 3,350 tanks, 17,000 artillery pieces, 2,770 aircraft, 565,000 motor vehicles and 700,000 horses.


38 posted on 06/22/2017 4:34:47 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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Hitler pulled a million troops and massive ordnance out of the African theatre to participate in Barbarossa. Had he not done so, he could have defeated the Allied African Campaign. Churchill remarked in his memoirs that if that had happened, Britain would have been knocked out of the war and Hitler would have secured his southern flank, control of the Suez Canal and control of the Mediterranian.

Additional resources subsequently devoted to his three pronged drive, combined with the reduction in allied support to Russia that loss of the Med would have caused, could well have meant the deposing of the Moscow government and the occupation of Russia west of the Urals. The world might still be very different today but for his impulsiveness

Hitler's failure to secure his southern flank before launching Barbarossa reflected his obsession with taking on Russia and conquering the vast lands to the East as his primary objective.

39 posted on 06/22/2017 5:13:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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the plan for the invasion was sound. Hitler delayed the invasion by 6 weeks so he could overrun Greece. This 6 week delay deprived the German Army of 6 weeks of good campaigning weather before the Russian winter set in. Had the senior officers of OKW and OKH been allowed to execute the plan as written, the German’s would have most likely been in Moscow before winter hit them. Hitler’s constant interference in the execution of the invasion proved to be fatal to that operation. JMO


40 posted on 06/22/2017 5:23:45 PM PDT by Bull Snipe (t)
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