Posted on 06/28/2017 11:20:43 AM PDT by Sopater
That was the guy. A real jerk and not nearly as clever as he thought.
Would not have been a slave trade, if there were no buyers.
But rather than develop a labor force that worked for wages, they preferred to buy and sell people like cattle or horses.
Yes, interesting indeed. Good for me, but not for thee.
Not going to weigh in on that.
We did discuss the Confederate Constitution a bit in Constitutional Law class. I came to the conclusion that (as with so many other things) there are people who know *WAY* more than I do on *BOTH* sides of the issue.
Well, you know what I meant by voluntary, states couldn’t just be dragooned, they had to want to join. Nevertheless, you make a good point, if entry was predicated on the consent of the other states, then it might not be unreasonable to require the same for secession.
Cite the Confederate States Government Legislation that ended Slavery in 1864. Or was it because most of the Confederacy occupied by the Union Army.
But just because they want to join doesn't mean they did. Colorado had to wait years to join.
In what way?
There are some indications that even without a war, the Confederacy would have ended slavery.
What indications are those?
The CSA’s highest ranking generals, Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston were not slave holders and did not believe in slavery.
Robert Lee was a slave owner much of his adult life and didn't free his family's slaves until December 1862 as was required by his father-in-law's will. And Lee didn't have a real problem with slavery.
And according to an 1860 census, only 31% of families owned slaves.
To put that in perspective, I read somewhere that 31% was a greater percentage than the number of families that owned stock in the 1960's. And that was the most affluent 31%.
The Confederate Constitution banned the overseas slave trade, and permitted Confederate states to abolish slavery within their borders if they wanted to do so.
The Confederate Constitution specifically protected slave imports from the U.S. and it did NOT permit states to outlaw slavery within their borders. See article 1, section 9, clause 4 and article 4, section 2, clause 1.
Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1868, 3 years after the war. Thus Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware still had slaves.”
And the relevance of that is what exactly?
My error.
The South started the war by firing on Sumter. Had they not done that then there would have been no reason for troops to go anywhere. The South's fate was always in its own hands.
The South started the war by firing on Sumter. Had they not done that then there would have been no reason for troops to go anywhere. The South's fate was always in its own hands.
It still follows that the Union is the creation of the States. That does not changes even for later States. It does not exist without them. They, having come to exist, do not depend upon it for their legal right to exist.
This would be clearer if the federal still obeyed the Constitution rather than in trading in FDR’s high handed lawlessness and subsisting in many functions as a largely illegal entity.
The North would not have invaded the South if the South had not opened fire on Federal soldiers and Fort Sumter and issued letters of marque, allowing southern ship captains to capture U.S. flagged ships. Both actions are well recognized in the international community as acts of war.
Reread my post please. Eisenhower was a great fan of General Lee and kept Lee's portrait in his office.
"From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained."
Thanks for posting your letter!
Yes, great men ended the war. It took greedy, self-important little men to start the war. I always thought it would be nice for the veterans to round up 50 or 100 politicians from each side and hang them from street lights in DC and leave them there until the bodies had thoroughly desiccated.
Jeff Davis got up and was supposed to have said that the idea of secession should be met with force. That was when a bunch in Wisconsin had the idea in around the early 1850s.
So what did he do? He took the poor dirt farmers husbands and sons and sent to be butchered. But then again. The single family sod busters of the rural south were considered white trash by the plantation owners.
Yep. Let’s reserve a light pole for him.
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