Posted on 08/27/2017 9:34:26 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
As Joseph Arpaio’s federal case headed toward trial this past spring, President Trump wanted to act to help the former Arizona county sheriff who had become a campaign-trail companion and a partner in their crusade against illegal immigration.
The president asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions whether it would be possible for the government to drop the criminal case against Arpaio, but was advised that would be inappropriate, according to three people with knowledge of the conversation.
After talking with Sessions, Trump decided to let the case go to trial, and if Arpaio was convicted, he could grant clemency.
Trump and Arpaio became brothers in arms five years ago. As they saw it, the two provocateurs — one a celebrity real estate developer, the other a polarizing sheriff — were pursuing justice in the form of supposed evidence that Obama’s birth certificate was fraudulent.
“There was no collusion,” Arpaio said in an interview Saturday. “I started my birth certificate investigation around the same time he did his.”
The Manhattan mogul sent Arpaio a fan letter and flattered him on social media. “Congratulations to @RealSheriffJoe on his successful Cold Case Posse investigation which claims @BarackObama’s ‘birth certificate’ is fake,” Trump tweeted in 2012.
Three years later, in July 2015, when Trump swooped into Arpaio’s hometown of Phoenix for the first mega-rally of his upstart presidential campaign, the sheriff returned the favor by testifying on stage to “the silent majority” that Trump had begun to awaken.
Backstage at that rally, Arpaio recalled, the two men talked about their shared birthday — June 14, which is Flag Day. Their friendship blossomed and Arpaio became a fan favorite at Trump rallies. “I had a gut feeling that he was going to win,” Arpaio said.
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Speaking of the pathological liar, here’s a shocker. At least 10 of Obama’s lies were so big, blatant and shameless, even the Washington Post acknowledged them.
Even WaPo.
Amazing.
As the list demonstrates, Obama was a lousy liar. His lies evince such ignorance of the most basic facts that not even his biggest supporters can overlook them (excluding moonbats; they can overlook anything).
Interesting as the list is, the comments are better. Here’s the first one:
Colonel Klink Jan 20, 2017 10:20 AM
Obama’s biggest lie, he was born in Hawaii.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/obamas-biggest-lies
Thanks for this recap!
You’re welcome. I realize the article goes back to January. I had never seen it, and I still can’t believe it appeared in WaPo. That’s almost like DU posting a ‘Greatest Hits,’ list of Obama’s lies. Who would have imagined?
The idea that Obama didn’t lie about his birth location is absurd. He lied about everything. The very fact that he claims HI is enough to tell us he wasn’t born there.
Obama also knew his parents didn’t live together for two years. He saw his toddler pics—the ones Maraniss dug up. He knows Obama Sr was nowhere in the vicinity.
Plus there’s nothing that we know about Stanley Ann to indicate she was the type to sugarcoat reality where Little Barry was concerned. Something turned him into a Malignant Narcissist, and it wasn’t his mother’s efforts to cushion the blow of Obama Sr’s disinterest in his son.
Bill Ayers and Obama concocted the two-year HI family fairytale for one reason only. They had to keep investigators’ focus off Seattle until Obama was established. If one of the first things the world had learned was that Stanley Ann appeared, out of nowhere like magic, in Seattle with a newborn, it would have raised questions. It could have blown Obama’s cover.
So instead Obama-Ayers sent investigators down the rabbit hole of searching for this two-year HI family fairytale. By the time it was thoroughly discredited, the HI birth narrative was established and the danger had passed.
They are a pack of shameless liars, the lot of them. They and their Obot enablers should crawl under a rock in mortification. They were duped as useful idiots, and to this day some cannot bring themselves
to admit it.
“The very fact that he claims HI is enough to tell us he wasn’t born there.”
Well, we don’t want to be accused of “failure of imagination” here.
What if he was born in a Salvation Army Home for Unwed Mothers? In the INS docs there was discussion of him being given up to the Salvation Army. What if Ann decided to keep him at the last minute?
I don’t believe that happened, but it is a possibility. It would destroy the DNC narrative.
She could have an undocumented off record home birth in HI or WA or Canada, as you have suggested. All of those would not be good for the DNC narrative of the ground-breaking Black/White marriage.
Had Little Barry been born in Hawaii, Stanley Ann would not have instantly jetted off to Seattle. The expense was enormous, and back in the early days her parents weren’t awash in money.
Plus what reason would SAD have had to leave her school, her home and her family and move to a city where she knew no one? The best Maraniss can do is float a theory of domestic abuse. But if the pair never lived together, how would that work? Would O Sr periodically force his way into the Kalanianaole Highway address, and beat SAD to a pulp? Or would he stalk her at UoH, and beat her right there in the university?
Stanley Ann almost certainly had Little Barry in a home for unwed mothers. In Vancouver. She was supposed to give the baby up, but impulsively opted to keep him. She didn’t take the newborn on an unnecessary, nearly 1,500 mile flight. She just drove across the border and registered at UoW.
Any other scenario is unlikely at best. The above is the only one that fits all the known facts.
“Had Little Barry been born in Hawaii, Stanley Ann would not have instantly jetted off to Seattle. The expense was enormous, and back in the early days her parents weren’t awash in money.”
I can imagine a number of scenarios where people with money might want to pay to have Ann’s mixed-race baby flown out of Hawaii ASAP. The family moved to HI from the Seattle area where Ann knew people.
Frank M. Davis might want to hide his paternity.
The folks invested in Obama Sr’s future as a Kenyan politician on discovering his bigamous marriage might have panicked.
Ann’s parent could easily have dipped into savings, for all we know, or called on the relatives in Kansas to protect mom’s career path to bank vice president or pop’s position as a KGB operative working with Obama Sr. He was a pal of KGB operative Frank Davis and pop had a big FBI file.
Very interesting. If there were people concerned about a mixed race baby, why wait until it was delivered? I don’t believe anyone has verified that airlines back in ‘61 would allow a newborn on a 1,500 mile flight. Why not fly SAD out before the delivery?
People who think FMD could be the father are A, relying too much on a single photo [in other pics FMD looks nothing like Obama], and B, forgetting how old Davis was by the time SAD got to HI. There’s no indication that SAD had a weakness for creaky geriatrics.
O Sr was perennially short of cash. Who, that cared about his future, would suddenly produce thousands to temporarily relocate a woman he had already admitted to fathering a child with?
Again, if the Dunhams cared about social fallout from a mixed race baby [they did], why wait until after it had made its appearance? If they’re going to get SAD out of sight, why not do it before her pregnancy and delivery were already an issue [which is what, in fact, they did]? Before I’d believe they bundled SAD off to Seattle with a newborn, I’d need some reassurance that the airlines in the early sixties had no qualms about flying newborns 1,500 miles.
I agree the parents found the cash. But no way did they wait until after the delivery. There’s zero evidence SAD was in HI at that time. They flew her out early in her pregnancy. It makes no sense otherwise.
My training and inclination is to let the hard forensic evidence unfold, just as Sheriff Arpaio and Zullo are trying to do.
First step is prove in a court of law or before another “trier of fact” that Barry’s BC is a forgery where the “opposition” can present a defense of its authenticity. We have an adversarial court system for a reason!
If Barry’s BC is proved to be a forgery, which I believe it will be, then the explosion of interest in where he was born will erupt and new forensic evidence will emerge, I expect, and we won’t have to speculate, as and/or frustrating as that is.
I grasp your inclination, but it’s not going to happen. Here’s why. Stanley Ann was sent to Vancouver to deliver and then relinquish her baby. She threw a wrench in the works when she insisted on keeping him.
Madelyn Dunham returned to HI [there is strong evidence for this in the CCP’s findings] and set about securing US citizenship for her grandson. She succeeded in registering some kind of birth—almost certainly a home birth—and this in turn generated the birth announcements.
This is why, as Tim Adams (among others) confirmed, no BC was on file in HI for Obama. This is also why Obama’s SS# can’t pass e-verify. Granny’s fake registration didn’t generate an official SS#.
Governor Abercrombie summed it up when he stated there was a notation in the file, something, ‘written down’. It was ‘evidence,’ if one didn’t dig too deeply, of a HI birth. (Others mentioned Obama’s “handwritten records,” also. That’s all there was originally.)
There was no impediment between these handwritten records and the issuance of a Certificate of Live Birth. If there was a registered home birth, there was a live birth, so no one batted an eye about putting that record out in public.
The LFBC was more problematic. It required information not included in the handwritten records. You may recall the trumped up charges against HI Health Director Dr. Neal Palafox, which resulted in his abrupt departure. He was replaced by a non-dr, Fuddy. She was happy to approve the LFBC with the added information. Then she conveniently died.
Depts of health routinely issue cut and paste LFBCs in cases of adoption. In that sense what Obama has is not, strictly speaking, a forgery. It’s a far cry from the original handwritten notes, but it’s probably legal. Or if not, then the person best positioned to make that case no longer can; she’s dead.
I believe the truth will eventually come out. But as to a forgery per se, that may not materialize. If that makes sense?
“Depts of health routinely issue cut and paste LFBCs in cases of adoption. In that sense what Obama has is not, strictly speaking, a forgery.”
Sheriff Arpaio says the EU forensic lab (in their report that hasn’t been released yet) claims to have demonstrated that the WH BC image is cobbled together from a specific BC of another identified person and not an adoption related modification, so this would be a forgery, if true.
Mike Zullo said Arpaio would be releasing some new information and hopefully new evidence as soon as the Sheriff’s legal situation was settled. I hope Arpaio doesn’t keel over from the stress!
I don’t think we disagree. There was no LFBC on file for obama. The one they cut and pasted contains info that goes well beyond the notation that was in Obama’s file.
The question is if Fuddy certifies it, is it legal or not? My understanding is that it’s legal. Were she alive, she could probably be induced to testify that she shouldn’t have certified it. But that’s out because she’s kaput.
At most what you’ll get would be HI officials testifying that they make substitute LFBCs routinely. They aren’t considered forgeries. Fuddy was key to documenting that this one exceeded their usual cut and paste parameters. How you prove it was not standard issue, legal fabrication of a LFBC I wouldn’t know.
I thought of a clearer way to express this. Namely, the LFBC is a fabrication—fact. If it’s a legal fabrication, then it’s not a forgery per se [though it would look like one to anybody who doesn’t know how LFBCs are typically fabricated].
Afaik, Fuddy was the best means of establishing whether the LFBC was legally or illegally fabricated. This is why she’s dead.
The question is whether a work-around exists. I.e.: whether anyone else would know if the fabrication was illegal. On that point, Idk.
I think it is important not to get out ahead of the “courtroom ready evidence” and Sheriff Arpaio has chosen not do disclose his two confidential reports from his experts regarding conclusive proof of forgery by HI DOH. I think we will see these reports soon, at least I hope we will.
On what has been shown over the internet to date, to me at least as a retired CFE and CPA, the LFBC fabrication was clearly illegal under any circumstances having been cobbled from a known 3rd party LFBC, if the claim can be proved.
As to Fuddy, I have never been persuaded that her death was other then accidental. There are too many far more easy, and less risky ways to kill a high profile person than those suggested by these wild conspiracy theories about the accident. Yes, it was bizarre and she was peculiar, but so is life sometimes and everything that touches Barry.
If it is illegal, in HI, to fabricate a LFBC from a third party template, then Obama’s BC is a forgery. The problem is, we don’t know their in-house rules for creating such fabrications. Perhaps there is no specific rule stating that they can but no specific rule stating that they can’t. Maybe the rules simply state that in a case where it becomes necessary to fabricate a LFBC, it’s permissible to use all available resources.
If HI weren’t a cesspool of corruption, I’d be inclined to think otherwise. But the CCP proved conclusively that HI was registering out of state births as in-state. If they’re brazen law-breakers (they are) why would they hamstring themselves with a bunch of rules? Rather, they’re rule book probably reads, “Anything goes.” (Only just slightly kidding.)
Fuddy made this trip annually. Killing her in the course of it needn’t have been complicated. In the half hour or so before departure she was given a drug to interfere with heart function. The plane engine had been previously sabotaged. No one knew—not the pilot or any passenger. Whoever did it didn’t care if they lived or if they all died. In fact, all of them dying might have been preferable; it would cover for Fuddy.
Seize, if you’ve been following the trail of death re to Hillary and the DNC, you know they’re dropping like flies. But nobody would have believed that Fuddy committed suicide (the favorite explanation). If there’s a scheduled annual trip, that’s as good an opportunity as many and better than most. Please note: it wouldn’t have been just Obama who suffered if Fuddy ever spilled the beans. The entire DNC would have been on the spot. Now that will never happen.
Everything I know about fabricated BCs I learned from you. Do you agree with the premise that Obama’s LFBC is either legal under the, ‘fabricated to cover an adoption,’ rubric, or do you think it is illegal, but the person [Fuddy] best able to make that case is conveniently dead?
I believe it was fabricated to comply with some court order. That court order was probably issued to deal with the consequences of Obama's adoption by Soetoro. I think the Dunham parents probably adopted Obama back in 1971, but they didn't get a long form birth certificate at that time.
I think Obama's team of lawyers probably figured he was entitled to one, and so they got some Hawaiian Judge to order the Hawaiian Department of Health to create one. I think that is the document we have been seeing.
It went through the normal Department of Health process, and that is why it isn't a terribly good forgery. But it is a legal document, it just isn't Obama's original document.
Thank you for your input. It always intrigues me. I would guess you’re right...except for the strange case of Dr. Neal Palafox. He was Fuddy’s predecessor. The Abercrombie Admin felt it necessary to leak untrue stories re illegal billing that Palafox had allegedly engaged in, to cover his sudden resignation [inexplicably ‘asked’ to resign].
Fuddy was immediately hired as his replacement—not the typical health director—an obese non-dr. But she couldn’t wait to certify Obama’s LFBC.
To me that shady little shuffle indicates that there was something fishy afoot. A regular court order wouldn’t have been an issue for Palafox. Nor should it have been necessary to dishonestly smear him on the way out the door.
As with everything else connected to Obama...it stinks.
"I have received a number of threats and extortion attempts from MCSO member Mike Zullo today. Given the fact I take these threats seriously so should you. MCSO and Mike Zullo has been trying to coerce me or extort me for years. I have had enough."
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"Mike Zullo latest attempt is consistent with the overall MCSO strategy to destroy me. It is obvious MCSO members cherry picked what they produced to the court during the contempt hearings."
I guess the MCSO took it seriously enough to open an internal affairs investigation (IA2016‐0383).
Seize, I need to correct an error in my post. Neal Palafox was only the nominee for HI Health Director. Then all of a sudden Palafox was asked to withdraw as the nominee, and was smeared with brazen lies in the process. The lies served the purpose of keeping people from wondering if Palafox’ abrupt, forced withdrawal had anything to do with Obama (it did).
DL, I answered my own question. If a court ordered a fabricated BC for Obama, Palafox would have had no issue with it. However, the crooks in HI were putting out the lie that this was Obama’s vault copy. It wasn’t, and evidently there was reason to believe Palafox would not represent it as such.
Fuddy, of course, couldn’t wait to authenticate the fabrication. She was a ‘team player.’ She likely didn’t realize that the team she threw in with was actually the Deep State.
If Barry’s BC was proved to be a forgery in a legal proceeding Palafox might be persuaded to talk, under oath, about what happened. He might be able to implicate some very interesting people beyond just the nitwit Gov. Abercrombie!
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