Controversial footprint discovery suggests human-like creatures may have roamed Crete

phys.org ^ | September 1, 2017 | Matthew Robert Bennett And Per Ahlberg

[Pelham]

‘All Cretans are liars’

or is it ‘All cretins are liars’

Whatever. Fits Franken either way.

[SunkenCiv]

The ocean levels worldwide dropped, with a variance of some hundreds of feet, depending on the latitude. Gibraltar strait depth exceeds a half mile in spots, far too much to have the Med go dry. But there are caves offshore from the modern riviera, and during the glaciation they were dry, occupied by humans (at least intermittently). And the Black Sea and Aegean lost their connection for thousands of years, with the Black Sea level alternating higher than today (and fresh or fresher) and ultimately lower.

Greek historian Diodorus Siculus reports about Samothrace Island, North of Aegean Sea (Biblioteca Historica, Book 5, Chapter 47, 4):

"The inhabitants who had been caught by the Flood ran up to the higher regions of the island. And when the sea kept rising higher and higher, they prayed to the native gods, and since their lives were spared, to commemorate their rescue they set up boundary stones around the entire circuit of the island and dedicated altars upon which they offer sacrifices even to the present day." [link, may be dead]

The melting of the glaciers took place supposedly over centuries, but evidence says otherwise. The failure of the Black Sea to fill at a similar pace to the world's oceans is illogical under assumptions of uniformity, since the Black Sea would be filling up with glacial meltwater at the same time as the rest of the world's seas, and arguably should have been doing so at a faster pace.

The story from Diodorus involves a then-extant local tradition on Samothrace in the Aegean that the flooding of the peninsula (the island seen today was indeed a peninsula during relatively recent human times) resulted from an outflow from the Black Sea, and that Diodorus was shown the still-visible remains of the submerged structures of the earlier town. Ryan and Pitman attribute the first detail to an implausible scenario:

• the ancestors of the inhabitants of that island had lived on an unidentified peninsula in the Black Sea, now submerged
  
• moved at the time of the flood to an island in the Aegean, an unknown number of miles, accomplished on foot as the flood made navigation into the Aegean impossible
  
• retained the story for 7000 years
  
• reversed the direction of the flow in order to make sense of it
  
• pointed to the submerged structures, which must be coincidence
  
• another people built the submerged structures many centuries before the Aegean _gradually_ rose and flooded the Black Sea, or
  
• that the structures, whatever they were, were natural and in any case may still exist

If natural, the submerged structures would be serendipitous or even the origin of the story. If they led to the Samothracians either making up the story of the flood, or distorting some account of the actual Black Sea flood, it would be an amazing coincidence. This would however make the rest of Ryan and Pitman's supposed explanation incredible, if an 8000 year old tradition to explain apparently submerged structures is not already incredible.

[Fred Nerks]

Various points of interest from Thunderbolts Forum:

An Alternative to Plate Expansion Tectonics

The exploration of the solar system over the last 50 years has revealed a huge amount of information about the individual planets and their satellites but none of the terrestrial planets or satellites exhibit anywhere near the amount of geological activity evident on the Earth.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1520028/posts?page=93#93

[SunkenCiv]

Colossal Flood Created the Mediterranean Sea
livescience | 09 December 2009 | Andrea Thompson
Posted on 01/11/2010 11:13:34 AM PST by JoeProBono
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2425936/posts

[SunkenCiv]

5.7 Million-year-old footprints found on Greek Island challenge human evolution theory
https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2019/2/12/57-million-year-old-footprints-found-on-greek-island-challenge-human-evolution-theory

Before Rozel, only nine confirmed Neanderthal footprints have been found in Greece, Romania, Gibraltar and France.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190910/neanderthal-footprints-discovered-along-shoreline-in-northern-france

also see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3782036/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 9/01/2017. Thanks again Red Badger. A re-ping.

[Grimmy]

The Time Before Podiatrists.

Not saying this is the case with these particular prints but I do wonder if some of the oddball ones are left by modern humans that went a life time with no foot protection at all and no way to heal what got broke other than just leave it to fix itself however the broke part decided to. As well as swellings from infections from stickers, splinters or bits of sharp rock shard from a recent spear point napping that got stepped on.

[KamperKen]

"They migrated from Crete when the Stromboli volcano exploded..."

I believe you mean when the Santorini volcano erupted/exploded around 1630 BC.

You might want to read "Unearthing Atlantis" by Charles Pellegrino.

[SunkenCiv]

Here's some pertinent topics from the FRchives:

• Ancient Mariners: Did Neanderthals Sail to Mediterranean? [2012]
• Anthropologist suggests Mediterranean islands inhabited much earlier than thought [2012]
• Neanderthals were ancient mariners [2012]
• Cretan tools point to 130,000-year-old sea travel [2011]
• On Crete, New Evidence of Very Ancient Mariners [2010]
• Ancient hominids may have been seafarers [2010]

[Reily]

The Rhyme of the Really Really Ancient Mariner !

[ckilmer]

I’m having a hard time believing this because the big toe curves inward—which is what you see when people wear shoes.

Really primitive people in the amazon and new guinea who spend their lives walking on bare feet—have their big toes splayed outward. Their other toes splay as well. Something we don’t see here. Rather we see a well groomed foot that looks like its spent a life time in shoes.

[gleeaikin]

If I remember correctly, Pangaea existed before or early in the rise of the dinosaurs. Since the dinosaurs all died 65 million ya, there is no possibility that your theory could be correct.

[gleeaikin]

Isn’t there a foot condition called hammer toe that could produce a print like that. Basically, the second toe overlapping the bent big toe.

[wildbill]

Have you seen the stories about the footprints in Texas in the Dinosaur park or in Mexico where the human footprints appear to be walking near Dino tracks.?/

the multitude of new anthropological finds is becoming overwhelming.

Hobbits and lions and tigers oh my!

[SunkenCiv]

The Paluxy River Footprints (Glen Rose, TX) aren't human tracks, assuming they are authentic in the first place. Some of them look like human tracks, apart from their great size, and by great size, I mean, larger than any human has ever been. They are dino tracks.

[wildbill]

Maybe they are caused by a dino-type extraterrestrial mating with humans?😊 I am in a frenzy because Aliencon is in town this week and I cant go. I keep trying a Venusian mind meld with Giorgio, but apparently he isn't able to do it.

[SunkenCiv]

Is it even possible? Yes, it is.

[wildbill]

I couldn’t go to Aliencon in my area because of caring for my mother/ ARRRRRRGH

I would have loved to have a photo with Georgio to post just to annoy you; BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[SunkenCiv]

He'd probably stop by the house if you asked him nice in emial.