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Will the USS Gerald Ford be remembered as the doomed Yamato of the carrier era?
http://foreignpolicy.com/ ^ | 9/14/17 | THOMAS E. RICKS,Dan Nidess

Posted on 09/14/2017 6:34:49 PM PDT by BBell

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To: BBell

So what? They sink/damage one carrier and we destroy their Navy. A surprise attack is always a possibility. Like I said so what? You are not addressing the correct issue. The problem is not having CVNs, the real problem is do we, as a nation, have an industrial infrastructure capable of quickly repairing/building CVNs in a hot war scenario? I say the answer to that is a resounding no.


41 posted on 09/14/2017 7:59:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BBell

I actually read up on that plane and to my surprise it was perfectly serviceable as a torpedo bomber.


42 posted on 09/14/2017 7:59:43 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: central_va

Hopefully the satellites won’t be compromised and the destroyers don’t run into each other. I’ve been negative lately . In the last two days we have had several Soldiers and Marines hurt in training accidents of some sort and of course we have had 3 mishaps this year with Navy ships. We have also lost some planes and helicopters. I still wonder what happened to that Marine C 130 that dropped out of the sky.


43 posted on 09/14/2017 8:04:21 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: central_va
The problem is not having CVNs, the real problem is do we, as a nation, have an industrial infrastructure capable of quickly repairing/building CVNs in a hot war scenario? I say the answer to that is a resounding no.

Yep, another thing that males me feel negative. Not to mention we have come to rely on other countries for our high tech chips, boards, etc.

44 posted on 09/14/2017 8:08:29 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell
Soldiers and Marines hurt

They weren't "hurt", they were injured or wounded which is part of the deal unfortunately.

45 posted on 09/14/2017 8:09:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

If a hit stops flight operations, it is almost as good as destroyed. Assuming the enemy allowed it to limp back to a repair port, it could easily be out of action for the duration of the conflict.


46 posted on 09/14/2017 8:14:15 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: central_va

Yesterday we had 15 Marines injured and today we had one soldier killed and 7 injured. And they were special ops soldiers. Not easy to replace those guys.


47 posted on 09/14/2017 8:14:47 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: gaijin

The navy shot itself in the foot not replacing the long range carrier defense the F-14 provided.


48 posted on 09/14/2017 8:18:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: yarddog

Fairy Swordfish. If you had the guts to fly that into flak it dropped a torpedo as well as anything. Devastated the Italian fleet at Taranto as well.


49 posted on 09/14/2017 8:18:36 PM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: BBell
I love how these junior officers write as if the Pentagon is oblivious to the threats they're identifying. Gee I think the Joint Chiefs have access to all this information and a whole lot more.
50 posted on 09/14/2017 8:19:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I would hope so but after 8 years of 0bama I worry.


51 posted on 09/14/2017 8:21:04 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

Hopefully todays super-carrier centric navy will have its Billy Mitchell moment and realize the future is in drowns and swarms of mini-drones. It doesn’t take a 100,000 tons of big target to pack the punch of an Alpha Strike anymore.


52 posted on 09/14/2017 8:22:30 PM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

...But, can the USS Gerald Ford defend itself against being rammed by a slow-moving freighter...

In general terms, who would have right of way. A very large aircraft carrier, a very large slow freighter, or a very small island light house?


53 posted on 09/14/2017 8:28:07 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: central_va

“The anti carrier crowd thinks one cruise missile hit would “destroy” an A/C carrier. They are crazy.”

That would depend upon what that missile was carrying. Wouldn’t it?

L


54 posted on 09/14/2017 8:29:20 PM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The top pentagon flag officers do have a reputation for fighting the previous war over again, right?

Might be these junior officers see that and are trying to break out of the box. After all, it will be their ass on the line, not the career brass in the pentagon.

55 posted on 09/14/2017 8:36:51 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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With the advent of advanced stand off weapons, it seems today’s bombers are becoming nothing more than weapon delivery systems.

Low intensity conflicts, you can have a variety of aircraft on perpetual, on-call “standby” for fire missions...like airborne artillery.

High intensity, send in the stealth drones or have air assets just outside enemy air defense zones dropping off huge swarms of hunter killer ordinance.

And while you’re at it, hack into the air defense computers and play pong on their display monitors :)


56 posted on 09/14/2017 8:43:32 PM PDT by ak267
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To: doorgunner69
The Jeune École idea that a Navy's job is to sink ships, missing that that's only a byproduct of the real purpose of projecting power.
57 posted on 09/14/2017 9:09:35 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Had to read up on “Jeune École” but I see your point.


58 posted on 09/14/2017 9:30:44 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: BBell

You are right. Buying only 20 copies was a big waste of development money. If we had built 200 to 500 copies we would have gotten our money’s worth.

Meanwhile the Norks and China have nearly all of their nukes on 8 axle TELS, which means when a war starts no one knows where they are. The original mission of the B-2 was to find and kill high value relocatable targets.

As St. Mother Theresa put it, “ Nuclear war is the fruit of abortion.”


59 posted on 09/14/2017 9:30:56 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: BBell

Yes, and worse than that, BECAUSE the Swordfish planes were SOOOO slow (and maneuverable), the fairly sophisticated AA batteries of the Bismarck actually had trouble getting an accurate bead on them.

Still, the torpedo that hit the rudder was pure blind luck - and inexperience on the part of the Bismarck’s crew in torpedo avoidance.

The Japanese did it much better (plus the Yamato-class, for all their size, were AMAZINGLY maneuverable - check out some of the aerial photos of Yamato at Leyte Gulf basically ‘turning on a dime’ and causing a boatload of bombs to miss - you can find them on http://www.battleshipyamato.com There are some incredible sequential aerial photos of a couple of massive USN bombing runs on Yamato, and her sister Musashi, which took the brunt of the attack at Leyte and was sunk)...


60 posted on 09/14/2017 9:33:09 PM PDT by Simon Foxx
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