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Hitler's Monstrous 'Jagdtiger' Tank Destroyers Were a Colossal Failure
The National Interest ^ | 04/06/18 | Sebastien Roblin

Posted on 04/07/2018 9:25:29 AM PDT by Simon Green

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To: jmacusa
The Panther was produced in a number of variants. The Tiger however was costly and labor intensive to produce. Only about 1,300 were made.

One wonders what true production costs might have been sans slave labor?

81 posted on 04/08/2018 3:39:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Psalm 144

Our tanks sucked, one on one no match. 6 on one there was chance.


82 posted on 04/08/2018 3:39:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: xp38
German tanks just looked cooler so in terms of post war impact they made more appealing plastic models for us kids to build. How effective they were on the battlefield was irrelevant to us.

Good point. One part of building models was pretending to operate them once complete. Can't say I ever wanted to pretend being inside of a Japanese tank.

83 posted on 04/08/2018 3:45:15 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
The muzzle velocity of the Sherman's 75mm. was 1,800 fps. The 76mm was 2,700 fps. The German's 7.5cm Pak 42/70L was 3,070 fps. Clearly the Germans had the advantage. Their main gun tank barrels were made by the German company RhienMetal Borsig. They're still in business. They make the main gun for the M1 Abrams.
84 posted on 04/08/2018 12:27:23 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: central_va

Our tanks did indeed suck. They were cheap and reliable, but otherwise mediocre. I still maintain that German tanks were and are overrated.

The glory days of German armor were early in the war, with mostly PzIIs and PzIIIs, and a few short barreled Pz IV Cs and Ds. The principle small arm was a bolt action rifle designed in the 19th century, and their logisitics chain relied on draft animals. German successes were predicated on superior doctrine, training and morale.

The superweapon V2s, Tigers, Panthers, Me 262s and so on presided over a relentless retreat and sunset of Third Reich aspirations. Even where these weapons were promising, they were as you mentioned prone to breakdown and also various shortages. Germany was not particularly well served by their MIC. The short range of the Me 109 cost them the Battle of Britain. The poor cold weather performance of their armor and motor pool arguably cost them Barbarossa.

As a hypothetical consider a Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe equipped with Garand rifles, the T34 series armor, and P47 and P51 fighters, but otherwise keep the training, morale levels and doctrine. If I was doing a fantasy football WWII, that is what I would shoot for.

By the way I have long admired your tagline, and concur.


85 posted on 04/08/2018 1:37:18 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." - LBJ)
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To: fso301
I mostly meant dreadful movies like Battle of the Bulge

Ugh. One of the worst war movies ever made. OK, maybe the worst.

86 posted on 04/08/2018 2:40:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Ugh. One of the worst war movies ever made. OK, maybe the worst.

I've never been able to erase memories of those M-48 Tigers rampaging through the Ardennes Desert.

87 posted on 04/08/2018 7:04:24 PM PDT by fso301
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To: redcatcherb412
The German Armor is very difficult to take down with a Sherman even with the tanks armor thickness and weak spots being documented.


88 posted on 04/08/2018 7:59:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: fso301

:-))


89 posted on 04/09/2018 12:00:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Delta 21
Thats the one I would have wanted to be on.

No thank you. An artillery and jabo fighter-bomber magnet, especially at bridges it couldn't cross, and I'd really hate to think about the nightmare of keeping it fueled up and resupplied with ammo.

In 1966-67 I got to meet a couple of the surviving German WWII panzer aces, and asked them for the best advice they could offer on how to deal with the 17-1 odds we faced from an immediate Soviet armor attack, with the odds getting worse as their reserve and conscript forces followed on.

Practice your night driving, I was told. Always engage from ambush, and make your plans for what you do when your fuel runs out....

90 posted on 04/11/2018 12:25:53 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Every Tanker’s dream.....

You come around the corner at a good clip and just ahead of you is the enemy chow line and they have their backs to you and can’t hear you because a helicopter is starting.

“It was just like chopping corn.”

Battle of Cuito Cuanavale - 1987

91 posted on 04/11/2018 1:00:22 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: archy

I read a book about the battle on the Lomba.

Written by a SA Armored Car Cdr.

Interesting.

They were firing 90mm.


92 posted on 04/11/2018 2:21:46 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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