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The Great German Meltdown
Defining Ideas: Hoover Institute ^ | May 23, 2018 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/24/2018 7:02:57 AM PDT by C19fan

Every 20 to 50 years in Germany, things start unraveling. Germans feel aggrieved. Ideas and movements gyrate wildly between far left and far right extremes. And the Germans finally find consensus in a sense of victimhood paradoxically expressed as national chauvinism. Germany’s neighbors in 1870, 1914, 1939—and increasingly in the present—usually bear the brunt of this national meltdown.

Germany is supposed to be the economic powerhouse of Europe, its financial leader, and its trusted and responsible political center. Often it plays those roles superbly. But recently, it’s been cracking up—in a way that is hauntingly familiar to its European neighbors. On mass immigration, it is beginning to terrify the nearby nations of Eastern Europe. On Brexit, it bullies the British. On finance, it alienates the southern Europeans. On Russia, it irks the Baltic States and makes the Scandinavians uneasy by doing business with the Russian energy interests. And on all matters American, it increasingly seems incensed.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; brexit; emmanuelmacron; europeanunion; france; germany; macron; nato; theresamay; unitedkingdom; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: C19fan
The antisemitism was always a curious thing - the Jewish population of what is now Germany was never that big, especially by comparison to neighboring countries (and it appears to have experienced a sudden decrease between 1940 and 1945). In 1940 the population of Germany proper was 65 million, that of Greater Germany (including Austria) about 80 million. Of this, the entire Jewish population was some 500,000. That is a very small minority. At the moment, approximately one in 53 Americans is Jewish - contrast that with one in 832 in Germany. SOURCE The Jewish population is less than 100,000 in Germany and they've just imported ten times that many Muslims. So perhaps now, not such a curious thing after all.

What Hanson is pointing out here is symptomatic of a national case of passive-aggressive disorder, not any chronic pacifism. Germany has, since reunification, used its resources well. Unfortunately some of those resources happened to be other countries', who are now impatient at Germany's stubborn self-satisfaction at its own prosperity, earned, to be sure, and its resentment at being reminded of the sources not always her own, and met by an ostensibly altruistic desire to address it by importing the disadvantaged who, unfortunately, also happen to be antithetical to the German culture responsible for the prosperity. The result is a net drain on the welfare state. Milton Friedman famously stated that one cannot have open borders and a welfare state at the same time. Germany is demonstrating why not.

It isn't up to the United States or any country other than Germany herself to cure this set of misconceptions and false cures. Disengagement will help. And for her neighbors, vigilance and preparation for what are likely to be some difficult times across the border. The Muslim is now far larger than the Jewish population ever was, and that's going to cause some real problems in the place of those that were once imaginary.

41 posted on 05/24/2018 11:16:11 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Leaning Right

And they could march. Boy, at one time them Krauts were stomping around like they owned the Earth.


42 posted on 05/24/2018 11:32:27 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: C19fan

“The Hun is either at your feet or at your throat’’.


43 posted on 05/24/2018 11:33:02 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Billthedrill

Goethe said it best of his fellow Germans when he said they were ‘’noble in the individual’’ and ‘’wretched in the collective’’.


44 posted on 05/24/2018 11:35:03 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bonemaker
Not much to choose between. They hated each other because they were rivals for the same constituency. Both totalitarian ideologies.The left -right spectrum borrowed from other European Parliaments, mostly Spain, doesn’t really fit most countries very well, including Germany.
45 posted on 05/24/2018 11:38:10 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jcon40

“The Germans and the French lost their genetic warrior blood lines the past century.”

I always laugh at that concept. Hitler himself could have made it.


46 posted on 05/24/2018 12:16:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Bonemaker

Nazi’s were just another form of Communist. The reason they “hated” communists was simply because they were competitors for the masses.

You might want to research why the Nazi flag was red. It was literally to attract communists to their side.
A nazi is a hard left communist that fits in neatly with a soviet, or a modern American Antifa or Democrat.

The nest proof of this is east Germany. The Germans there easily adapted and decided being Stasi was just as good as Gestapo. The Stasi wasn’t Russian.


47 posted on 05/24/2018 12:20:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Bonemaker

“After WW1 there was a life and death struggle between the communists and the NSDAP as to who would rule Germany.”

I give you Hillary supporters vs Bernie Sanders types.


48 posted on 05/24/2018 12:21:46 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: C19fan

What an intelligent, well-written article, wide in scope and knowledge of European history.


49 posted on 05/24/2018 12:43:00 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine and education.)
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To: Bonemaker

That was socialist versus communist. Are you saying Hitler and Hess were right wingers? LOL!


50 posted on 05/24/2018 1:30:42 PM PDT by gr8eman (Since God has been banished from our classrooms, Satan has filled the void.)
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To: gr8eman

In the context of the tumultuous times in post WW1 Germam politics I would say it was between the left and right although I don’t like those terms. Don’t like because our filthy left tries to equate us, “the right”, with NSDAP.


51 posted on 05/24/2018 3:17:44 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: fatboy

Germany did not want the war. The Kaiser probably did more than anybody else to prevent it. He tried to negotiate with his cousin the Tsar and explained to him that Russia mobilizing on Germany’s border would leave Germany defenseless if it did not react by going to war immediately. Germany’s only defense was speed - it could mobilize a lot faster than Russia could. It couldn’t afford to watch this crucial advantage frittered away when faced with a much larger enemy. The Tsar then promised not to mobilize on Germany’s border only to have his arm twisted by his own generals to do exactly that.

What did France do to prevent the war? Britain? Italy? The Ottoman Empire? Russia? The Hapsburg Empire? None of them even tried to engage in personal diplomacy to head off what was coming.


52 posted on 05/24/2018 5:36:38 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: anton

For
example Niall Ferguson has noted that “it is especially striking Germany, the state most notorious for its
’militarism’ in this period, was by this measure somewhat less militaristic than her two neighbours and
rivals, France and Russia”.
2
Equally, John Hobson’s detailed article on the pre-First World War
military spending in comparative terms has shown that the United Kingdom and Germany were among
the low-spending group.
3

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8af6/ebf80fe035dcbff1c9c060305de903d92f43.pdf


53 posted on 05/24/2018 5:41:20 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: FLT-bird

“Germany did not want the war. The Kaiser probably did more than anybody else to prevent it.”

One of the basic facts about WW1 is that Germany slashed and burnt it’s way thru Belgium on it’s way to invade France. It would seem simple enough for any fool to comprehend but apparently no so.


54 posted on 05/24/2018 5:53:18 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: GingisK

In the same way, Mussolini was part of the Italian Communist Party until internecine power struggles put him on the outside. He didn’t change his ideology, he just developed a new marketing model, Nationalistic socialism, to counter the international socialists, ie. commies.


55 posted on 05/24/2018 6:04:23 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: fatboy

The war had started by that point.

No leaders at f any of the other countries involved made and kind of effort to avoid war starting. Wilhelm II did. Germany unlike France or Italy or Russia was not seeking territorial aggrandizement.


56 posted on 05/24/2018 6:42:20 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: FLT-bird

You, sir, are full of crap. Get lost.


57 posted on 05/24/2018 6:55:30 PM PDT by anton
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To: anton

You challenged me to produce a source. I produced multiple sources.

Now you resort to the ad hominem.

You lose.


58 posted on 05/24/2018 7:13:59 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: FLT-bird

“The war had started by that point.
No leaders at f any of the other countries involved made and kind of effort to avoid war starting. Wilhelm II did. Germany unlike France or Italy or Russia was not seeking territorial aggrandizement.”

Tell us, was it your momma or your papa that dropped you on your head at age 2?

Or was it both?


59 posted on 05/24/2018 7:17:35 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: fatboy

Ah yes, more ad hominem.

Another loser.


60 posted on 05/24/2018 7:28:08 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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