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Does America oppose female genital mutilation – or not?
https://spectator.us ^ | November 21, 2018 | Douglas Murray

Posted on 11/21/2018 6:52:04 AM PST by Enterprise

‘The historic case involves minor girls from Michigan, Illinois and Minnesota, including some who cried, screamed and bled during the procedure and one who was given Valium ground in liquid Tylenol to keep her calm, court records show.’

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‘The judge’s ruling also dismissed charges against three mothers, including two Minnesota women whom prosecutors said tricked their 7-year-old daughters into thinking they were coming to metro Detroit for a girls’ weekend, but instead had their genitals cut at a Livonia clinic as part of a religious procedure.’

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KEYWORDS: girls; islam; minors; pain
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To: Enterprise

So the federal government does not have the authority to dictate laws throughout the US and make genital mutilation illegal ...but it does have the authority to dictate laws throughout the US and make abortion legal?

Do I have that right?

Asking for a friend....


61 posted on 11/21/2018 9:38:52 AM PST by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: alloysteel

But what about male circumcision? Required by my religion and given at 8 days of life?


62 posted on 11/21/2018 9:42:25 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Enterprise

“If banning it irritates the shock troops we need to overthrow Western Civilization and usher in the Great Progressive Utopia, then no - we don’t want to ban it.” - the American Establishment, 2018


63 posted on 11/21/2018 9:45:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: cymbeline

Does “Genital Mutilation” mean only the elimination of a woman’s sexual feelings?


No, it also sometimes means sewing her up so tight she will have pain upon sex and possible death (for mom or baby) upon childbirth, especially in more primitive cultures.


64 posted on 11/21/2018 9:45:57 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Jotmo

I am not getting that either. Why if fgm is a State’s Right, done to a child, isn’t abortion?


65 posted on 11/21/2018 9:48:17 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Enterprise
Does America oppose female genital mutilation – or not?

No one culture is to be preferred over any other. At least that is what high schools and colleges teach us. So the answer is "No". /s

66 posted on 11/21/2018 9:49:59 AM PST by bkopto
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To: Alberta's Child

I simply cannot wrap my brain around this one.


67 posted on 11/21/2018 9:56:31 AM PST by IC Ken (Stop making stupid people famous)
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To: IC Ken

Only if the sole law prohibiting it is federal. I wish conservatives would look beyond the hideousness of the act and see that this judge has upheld the Constitutional doctrine of enumerated powers. X Amendment clearly reserves this kind of lawmaking to the states. Conservatives cannot follow progs down the road of “if the outcome is one we like, the hell with the Constitution.”


68 posted on 11/21/2018 10:01:29 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Alberta's Child
The judge made the right decision here.

Agreed. If Congress had inserted an interstate component into the law as it usually does when trying to micro-manage our lives, the judge would have upheld the law.

In all fairness to Judge Friedman -- who was appointed by President Reagan -- his opinion clearly shows that he made a decision based upon sound constitutional principles, even though he disapproves of the result. An activist judge -- the type of judge that conservatives are supposed to hate -- would have upheld the law in order to produce the desired result regardless of the constitutional limitations upon congressional power.

69 posted on 11/21/2018 10:03:35 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Bull. The bottom line result is that young girls will be sexually mutilated and not only will the perps be exonerated but they will be validated and continue their atrocities. He could have ruled in a different way to uphold the law since it preserved the civil rights and human rights of the girls. This judge is being cheered by his lowlife peers on the bench and at all the “proper progressive “ law schools. Meanwhile people suffer as the collective will of the people’s representatives is again negated on flimsy grounds..


70 posted on 11/21/2018 10:08:24 AM PST by allendale (.)
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To: Phil DiBasquette

Brilliant!!!


71 posted on 11/21/2018 10:10:38 AM PST by LydiaLong
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To: Yaelle

“sometimes means sewing her up so tight ...”

Why on earth would that sort of thing be done to women? It goes without saying the women don’t want it done, correct?


72 posted on 11/21/2018 10:11:57 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Enterprise

Federal crime
Impeach and jail the judge
Sentence the evil mudslime parents


73 posted on 11/21/2018 10:22:50 AM PST by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Little Ray

“How is this a Federal issue? Did the doctor or patient cross state lines or something?”

Why yes, some of them did.
The very first part of the excerpt:
“The historic case involves minor girls from Michigan, Illinois and Minnesota”


74 posted on 11/21/2018 10:25:39 AM PST by oldvirginian ( Buckle up kids, rough road ahead.)
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To: Enterprise
Does America oppose female genital mutilation – or not?

It is not the business of the Federal Government so the answer can be located among state laws.

75 posted on 11/21/2018 10:49:22 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: quasimodo_79

Urologists have reported increase in infections since there have been fewer circumcisions. It’s much more painful when it needs to be done later than the neonatal period.


76 posted on 11/21/2018 10:51:01 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Alberta's Child

So does this then set precedent that parents can now NOT be charged for FGM. So America is now a FGM promoting nation?


77 posted on 11/21/2018 11:04:52 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Little Ray

So still against the law?


78 posted on 11/21/2018 11:06:01 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Enterprise

This is how you know the top American feminists are phonies and Marxists.


79 posted on 11/21/2018 11:12:58 AM PST by Crucial
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To: Yaelle; Jotmo
The distinction has to do with protected constitutional rights and liberties vs. constitutional limitations. The first nine amendments to the Constitution, which are part of the Bill of Rights, protect individual rights and liberties from the federal government and the 14th Amendment protects those individual rights and liberties from state and local government. In Roe v. Wade and its progeny, the SCOTUS ruled that the "substantive" Due Process Clause of the 5th and 14th Amendments give a woman the fundamental right to kill her unborn child. In other words, the SCOTUS decided to make abortion a fundamental individual liberty entitled to protection under the 5th and 14th Amendments from federal, state, and local government.

In contrast, the genital mutilation case was not decided under the 5th and 14th Amendments; but rather under the 10th Amendment, which limits the powers of federal government to the powers delegated to it in the Constitution, and specifically, the enumerated powers delegated to Congress in Article I, §8 of the Constitution. None of those enumerated power grant Congress the power to regulate activities and conduct that take place entirely within a state no matter how despicable the activities or conduct might be. Congress can only legislate within its enumerated powers and the only enumerated power that could possibly apply is the power to regulate commerce between the states. Thus, the genital mutilation law at issue would have been constitutional if (a) the law was written to prohibit only the transport of minors across state borders for the purpose of receiving a genital mutilation procedure and/or prohibit a person from knowingly performing a genital mutilation procedure on a minor from out of state; or (b) the law contained a congressional finding that the practice of performing genital mutilation has a substantial impact on interstate commerce.

80 posted on 11/21/2018 11:21:43 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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