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A Joel Osteen disciple. /src on/We all know from the Gospels Jesus cruised around Israel and Judea in a blinged out chariot. And his disciples followed carried around in litters./src off/
1 posted on 12/16/2018 6:07:46 AM PST by C19fan
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The answer is yes.


2 posted on 12/16/2018 6:14:38 AM PST by nwrep
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"I'm a husband first. Don't confuse what I do with who I am. What I do is I pastor God's people. Who I am is a husband and a father and I'll do anything to honor them.“

She shouldn’t be “honored” with a car that only cost, say, $100,000?

The criticism probably stems from the fact that the money probably ultimately derived from people’s domations. There’s a video clip of the presentation to her, with a crowd and cameras and crowing about the color of the brake calipers. Seemed rather prideful for a humble pastor.

The wife got indignant on social media and attempted to compare herself to a basketball star, who does not live off of donations.

Oh, well. None of those conmen ever got any of my money.

3 posted on 12/16/2018 6:18:19 AM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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You have to walk the walk if you preach the prosperity gospel.


4 posted on 12/16/2018 6:19:45 AM PST by Redmen4ever (u)
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Good gosh, is there not one good man left? Does this preacher have any sense of the optics? As many exotics driven by untrained drivers of what a hypercar is capable of, how soon does she prang it biggly and or get hurt? What good could they have done elsewhere with his money? Different faith, but where is the church militant on this?


5 posted on 12/16/2018 6:21:32 AM PST by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Songs of Angry Men!")
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I saw old man Osteen, John, pull up to a restaurant in a Rolls Royce in the early 80s.


6 posted on 12/16/2018 6:25:35 AM PST by MisterArtery
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“I’m a husband first. Don’t confuse what I do with who I am.”
...........
IMHO, this guy should be nowhere near any leadership position in a church. At least a Christian Church.


7 posted on 12/16/2018 6:25:37 AM PST by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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Well it was either the Lamborghini or feeding the poor. You shall know them by their fruit.


9 posted on 12/16/2018 6:27:10 AM PST by 4yearlurker ("There stands mother under the oleanders,open the windows." A dying cowboys last words,1879.)
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Stealin’ fer Jesus. Good work if you can find it...


11 posted on 12/16/2018 6:29:20 AM PST by donozark (There are no flamingos in Venezuela.)
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13 posted on 12/16/2018 6:34:06 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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After doing some checking I just wanted to give credit where credit is due. This pastor was one of the black pastors that met and prayed with Trump in the Oval Office. And of course he got savaged for it. That means something to me, so as a very imperfect Christian myself, I’ll hold off on judgment.


14 posted on 12/16/2018 6:34:49 AM PST by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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So many bogus ‘holy men’. So much BS.


16 posted on 12/16/2018 6:36:27 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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The pastor and his wife are clearing in the right 'hood to have the money for a Lambo SUV. She even has tats on her arm for street cred.


17 posted on 12/16/2018 6:37:23 AM PST by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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Even pastors need christ:

Mark 8:36 King James Version (KJV)

36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


18 posted on 12/16/2018 6:38:49 AM PST by Raycpa
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Number of cylinders       8
DISPLACEMENT      3,996 cm3 (243.85 cu in)
BORE x STROKE      86 x 86 mm (3.39 X 3.39 in)
MAX. POWER      650 CV (478 kW) @ 6,000 rpm
MAX. TORQUE      850 Nm (626,93 lb.-ft.) @ 2,250-4,500 rpm
Maximum engine speed      6,800 rpm
19 posted on 12/16/2018 6:40:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Lamborghini Urus.

He made the right choice, neither one of them would have fit in the Aventador......let alone together.

22 posted on 12/16/2018 7:04:27 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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This is why religion seems to be dying in this post-modern tech age, whether it be a mega-church or the church on the corner.... People of all faiths can now see (via history and the evening news) how the religious leaders have so corrupted the message to advance their own personal egos and desires. Just look at the pedophile scandals that are rocking the christian church. Many other religions seem to be corrupted in this area as well. It looks just like the government, sans the religious trappings...

One early eye-opener was when a pastor at a church I visited (looking for a home church) showed up at my house to introduce himself and "minister" to us, and ended up trying to sell me a vacuum cleaner. As a young husband and father seeking a spiritual home, that was a rude awakening...

Comparing notes of first-hand experiences recently brought up a number of churches where church leaders pilfered the offerings, and / or sold the church property and disappeared with the money. Adultery is commonplace in the hierarchy as well. lt has been a very hard reality for me to face. I came out of a very heavy-handed religion, where the answers to my questions were "It's not for you to know or question, just listen and obey the leaders". Sound familiar?

Even many of the "good" missions and ministries have become a socialist-like ego trip for so many running them that I have become jaded, even though the need is great. I discovered this first hand when I got behind the scenes of several as a contributor (money and personal time) and found even the best had a dark, selfish side.

It's really shaken me to my core, and I am now skeptical when someone comes to me with their requests for time or funds for "What God has called them to do...". I find in most cases when I question them, the pushback is illogical and unscriptural by their own standards, which makes me wonder about the true motives behind their actions in the first place. Even when a ministry might look good, when I look at the personal lives of people running them, it makes me question again their true motives...

Fellow Freepers, I apologize for the venting, but this has been weighing on me for a long time as more and more of these revelations come to the surface...

Lord, help me in my unbelief! Give me the ability to see and hear You, and not those that strive to put themselves between You and me for the advancement of their ungodly plans and schemes....

23 posted on 12/16/2018 7:07:41 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase
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“Pastors” like this are one of the main reasons that the number of unbelievers are climbing with each passing day.

I think there’s a special place in Hell for these con men.


27 posted on 12/16/2018 7:13:26 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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“... and you can have your own Lamborghini. Just call xxx-xxx-xxxx. People are ready to take your call and donation.”


28 posted on 12/16/2018 7:16:39 AM PST by plain talk
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Those who donate the big bucks to such “Christian” enterprises get what they pay for - a rich “pastor” who loves the benefits of being rich...


29 posted on 12/16/2018 7:17:42 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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Hey Pastor Gray, Jesus thinks you’re a jerk.


31 posted on 12/16/2018 7:25:02 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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