Posted on 02/21/2022 6:35:10 AM PST by entropy12
Only a fool travels in winter without filling their gas tank or charging their car.
A fully charged Tesla will provide heat for approx 72 hours. If you’re stuck in traffic for over 72 hours heat may be the least of your worries.
Didn’t Edison electrocute an elephant, though?
I'm not saying EV's are a cure for cancer like the Dims promote them. I'm just saying EV's have good points and bad points like gas cars do.
My wife and I need two cars. When it's time to replace one I might replace it with an EV and we'll have an EV and a gas car -- the best of both worlds.
There is no Niagara falls or any hydro plant I know of within hundreds of miles from Jacksonville, FL where I buy gas.
Back in the days of George Putnam’s Talkback show on KIEV (now KRLA) there was a frequent caller who explained that petroleum fuels, with diesel being the at top, has the most energy per pound of fuel of any available. It was during these discussions that I learned about how the power loss in generation and transmission made it more efficient to just burn gasoline in an ICE than burn gas to generate electricity and transmit it to a charging station to run your car.
That being said, if the shortcomings of electric vechicles can be safely resolved and abundant electric power created, perhaps through nuclear power plants, then the gains in air quality, especially where I live, might be a good trade for less overall efficiency. But in the meantime reality must be acknowledged.
Then add in cost of buying cheapest EV versus cheapest ICE car. There is a lot of gasoline money in the difference.
>> My Chevy Spark cost $13k to buy brand new; I can buy lots of gasoline with money saved over a Tesla car. <<
Yes. I agree with THAT completely. Also, a new $30,000 conventional car may end up having a smaller footprint than a $120,000 Roadster. Buying a Roadster to save the environment is self-delusion, except it funded factories to build less expensive vehicles... a plan which Obama’s fuel-efficiency credit ironically nearly destroyed.
In the long run, though, electric cars do end up with a much smaller footprint than gas cars, and eventually, renewables and nuclear can produce all our electricity, likely much sooner than anyone now presumes. But when it comes to cordless, you need batteries. Or Doc Brown.
Yeah, ‘cuz God knows you can’t generate solar power in Florida.
Your metrics are garbage overall.
The distribution system isn’t remotely prepared for the majority of persons to have electric vehicles.(especially older utility companies)
Where are these materials being harvested from?
How much energy is being used to transport them?
How much from energy is used from harvesting to end product?
Do you think there won’t be massive PUC rate increases to accommodate all the upgrades needed on the distribution system?
Typical black box thinking. You just address a small part of the realities involved.
So what? No car/truck is right for everyone and only low life commiecrats would mandate you buy an EV. Like China’s JObama Xiden.
You sure would have access to solar however.
I took a drive from Western, NY to Pittsburgh PA to test drive a Tesla Model S, a few years ago. The round trip cost for fuel was $67+.
We calculated the cost for the same trip in a Model S to be $14.57 based upon my cost/KW.
I’d defend anyone’s right to buy an ICE car but the ignorant ICE car drivers seem to think they have moral superiority over EV drivers and would never reciprocate
It is not just the loss of power through many miles of electrical transmission lines. It is more involved. Currently the power grid is already stretched in capacity. If we all went EV, where will the funding to increase (by orders of magnitude) the green energy power generation and transmitting it many miles to the charging stations come from?
So, yes, someday oil/natural gas will be used up, and we will be forced to use green energy and EV’s. We are may be 100+ years away from that stage. Fracking has given at least 100 more years to use fossil fuels.
Unless regulations on nuclear power plants are lessened, and other types of reactors are considered (such as thorium), nuclear is not going to produce the power necessary in the US.
As soon as Washington,DC. and our humble servants all go EV and otherwise green like they want for the commoners..then I will be all in.
Gas is $3.29 per gallon here and I drive on average 200 miles per week, costing me $2,281 per year in gas.
On a recent power bill, I was paying 13.35 cents per kWh. If I get the F150 Lightning, let's say it gets 1.8 miles per kWh (about 10% less than the 2 miles per kWh Ford claims it will, but EV's and gas cars never perform like they're "supposed" to). That's $771 per year in costs, saving $1,509. Then get into saving on two oil changes per year (I change mine every 5K miles), which cost $61 last time I did it: now the savings is $1,630 per year.
But then you get into the payments on a new truck versus coughing up $10K cash to buy another used truck. And you get into the fact that I have a solar system on my house producing half of the power I need for my home use -- adding an EV to it would probably result in about 30%-50% of my EV miles being "free" from my solar system. Then there's interest on the car payments on the new EV -- plus higher insurance costs (I now have liability only, but would have to have comprehensive insurance if I make car payments on a new truck), replacing an old used truck for $10K every 7 years or so vs. replacing the EV battery for $10K at 10 years, etc.
All of those together leave me these two options: if I don't get an EV, my solar system will pay for itself on about the 10th year (9 years from now), assuming 3% inflation rate on the energy costs. (Obviously, if the Dims keep jacking up energy costs my system will pay for itself sooner.) If I get an EV the entire project will pay for itself on about the 12th year.
And I will have achieved what I wanted most: a hedge against energy costs going up on all types of energy: electricity, natural gas, and gasoline.
Wait until they start taxing electric like everything else.
And again.
Does anyone believe electric rates won’t go up.
Not to mention taxes on electric will go way up.
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“... is not going to produce the power necessary in the US”
Necessary for what? EVs? They aren’t necessary.
And oh, those regulations! They can be changed.
And you always lose energy in the transfer.
Entropy ruins so many brilliant plans.
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