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Why the Panama Canal is Dying
Real Life Lore ^ | 8/2/24

Posted on 04/07/2024 2:24:40 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

Why shipping choke points like Panama are FUBAR and getting worse. Long, detailed explanation of all the problems.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


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KEYWORDS: canals; commerce; freight; pacificatlantic; panama; panamacanal; shipping; supply
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1 posted on 04/07/2024 2:24:40 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5
Why the Panama Canal is Dying?

Because Jimmy Carter gave it away.

2 posted on 04/07/2024 2:27:34 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Eleutheria5

Perhaps a power plant, desalination plant and water pumping stations to keep the lakes full?


3 posted on 04/07/2024 2:29:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Ships have gotten WAY bigger, even bigger than the last time the Canal was widened, and the level of traffic keeps going up.


4 posted on 04/07/2024 2:35:24 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Eleutheria5

Perhaps it is time to see about the OLD PLAN of going through Nicaragua with a sea level canal.


5 posted on 04/07/2024 2:37:21 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Eleutheria5

The canal is dying because the US doesn’t own and operate it anymore. I remember well when Carter gave it away. All the intelligentsia were in favor of this, even William Buckley but the American people were almost unanimously opposed. This stupidity was one of the reasons that Reagan won in a landslide and the GOP gained control of the Senate and although the Dems still had the house but narrowly, they were quite intimidated by Reagan. So some good did come out of this folly. I hope that Trump will find a way to take back control. It needs to be done.


6 posted on 04/07/2024 2:40:38 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

This is a possible solution https://www.freightwaves.com/news/mexico-aims-to-compete-with-panama-canal-by-using-cargo-trains


7 posted on 04/07/2024 2:41:36 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Eleutheria5

climate change?


8 posted on 04/07/2024 2:44:46 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: taxcontrol

The easiest and cheapest solution is probably to recycle the water used to run the locks. Or, the entire problem can be avoided by piping saltwater inland to run the locks, with only a minimal contribution from Lake Gatun.


9 posted on 04/07/2024 2:44:55 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Eleutheria5
Does it have anything to do with Panamanians?
10 posted on 04/07/2024 2:51:00 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: Craftmore

Trump’s fault


11 posted on 04/07/2024 2:53:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: Ge0ffrey

That Mexico system seems pretty cool. I wonder if they could just put the whole ship in a dry dock and move the whole ship on rail tracks or something.


12 posted on 04/07/2024 2:54:59 PM PDT by Pocketdoor
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To: Craftmore

Depletion of fresh water used to level the locks. Big fresh water lake that citizens depend on for drinking water and agriculture, which hasn’t been filling up lately due to el nino. My first thought was, well then pump in sea water at the locks to level them. But that makes sense. Anyway, it’s a long discussion, explores the prospect of alternatives, gets into the history of it all.

Unfortunately, it takes the whole “climate change” thing as a given. Personally, I think we should be so lucky. If it were true, it would be wonderful. But I don’t think it is.


13 posted on 04/07/2024 3:05:06 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Tai_Chung

Thats what I would say! Never any problems when it was under our control.


14 posted on 04/07/2024 3:05:06 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.c)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The pacific and the gulf of mexico have different sea levels


15 posted on 04/07/2024 3:29:11 PM PDT by al baby (I know sarcasm )
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To: Eleutheria5
Depletion of fresh water used to level the locks. Big fresh water lake that citizens depend on for drinking water and agriculture, which hasn’t been filling up lately due to el nino.

As you note, the Panama Canal is powered by rainfall which goes into lake Gatun. It was on the edge of the traffic it could handle when I was there 1985 - 1989. The USA had built another big dam further up the Chagres river to provide more water by then. Creating Lake Alajuela in 1935 almost doubled the water reserve available from the rivers. From An Ecosystem Report on the Panama Canal: Monitoring the Status of the Forest Communities and the Watershed :

... Panama Canal Commission maintained detailed stream flow records for many years, and PMCC assembled data on the annual water budget of the Canal. Total rainfall over the 3300 km 2 watershed averages 9 × 10 9 m 3 of water per year, of which an estimated 4.6 × 10 9 m 3 would be lost to evapotranspiration (Leigh, 1999), leaving 4.4 × 10 9 m 3 to flow into the Canal. With current ship traffic, 37 per day, more than half of this water, 2.6 × 10 9 m 3 , is used to fill the Canal’s locks – 191 000 m 3 per ship. An additional 1.2 × 10 9 m 3 of water is used to generate electricity for Canal operations, and 0.27 × 10 9 m 3 is processed for drinking water to supply most of the Canal communities and parts of Panama City and Colon. The three large rivers feeding Lake Alajuela (Chagres, Boquerón, and Pequení, see Figure 7) carried a mean of 1.7 × 10 9 m 3 of water per year from 1970–1996. The three largest rivers feeding Lake Gatún (Gatún, Trinidad, and Cirí Grande) carried another 0.73 × 10 9 m 3 of water, so these six rivers contribute 2.4 × 10 9 m 3 , 54% of the Canal’s water. In 1982, a dry year accompanying a strong El Niño event, they carried just 1.8 × 10 9 m 3 , a 25% reduction. If the entire watershed suffered a 25% reduction, the 4.4 × 10 9 m 3 of water typically available would become just 3.3 × 10 9 m 3 , less than the 4.1 × 10 9 m 3 needed to fill locks, generate electricity, and produce drinking water. A good deal of this can be made up by drawing down Lake Alajuela and the Canal, but in extreme years this means the Canal is too shallow for the largest ships to transit. Clearly, the water budget for the Canal watershed is tight enough that changes in runoff or sedimentation caused by land use are a serious ...

16 posted on 04/07/2024 3:29:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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Christmas day 2016
17 posted on 04/07/2024 3:33:34 PM PDT by al baby (I know sarcasm )
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To: Eleutheria5

Time to build a new canal through Nicaragua.


18 posted on 04/07/2024 3:35:13 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: taxcontrol

All of that. Nuclear power plant with plenty of back-ups, destination and pump them full again. We provide for ownership again and agreement to maintain, expand, etc


19 posted on 04/07/2024 3:37:27 PM PDT by desertsolitaire
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To: discostu

*Ships have gotten WAY bigger*

Ships are built with the Panama Canal in mind. Think those USS Iowa class battleships-108’ wide.

Next. As for giving it away it was a good idea. Stole it fair and square? Perhaps. We did what the French couldn’t do. Then we tried to prove it again in Viet Nam.

Last. An addendum gives us the right to take over the canal militarily if a civil action takes place in the country that affects it’s operation.


20 posted on 04/07/2024 3:46:27 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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