Did you forget when they bombed The Baldwin Residence?
Posted on 04/14/2024 4:14:42 AM PDT by RandFan
Israel's air defence system is one of the most effective in the world.
The Iron Dome began operating in 2011, largely in response to the 2006 war that ended with Hamas taking control of Gaza the following year.
It uses radars to detect and intercept short-range rockets, missiles and drones.
The Iron Dome was developed by Israel's state-owned Rafael Advanced Defence Systems with US support.
The system consists of a series of truck-towed mobile units placed strategically throughout the country.
When their radars detect a threat, the information is sent to a 'battle management centre' where military personnel analyse it, anticipating its path and impact point, and decide which missile launcher to use to intercept it.
Counter missiles are then fired directly at the threat - or near it - so the shrapnel can neutralise it.
The dome, known as Kippat Barzel in Hebrew, reacts within a matter of seconds and is manned 24 hours a day.
Originally it was designed to protect cities and strategic sites against missiles with a range of 2.5 and 43 miles, but it is thought to have been expanded.
More than 90% effective
It has consistently blocked more than 90% of rockets fired towards Israel, with a naval version deployed to protect ships and other assets in 2017.
This is why the number of Israeli deaths in the current war with Hamas has remained low, while those in Gaza continue to increase.
Soon after it began operating it became the envy of other militaries.
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It can be done on an individual basis. There is even a net deploying drone. But you’d have to have someone in visual range as you have to guide one drone onto another drone and deploy the net. While I suppose it’s possible, you’d have to have dozens of people spotted just about everywhere and they’d have to see the incoming drone. It might be at 10,000 feet. I think they generally fly high for direct line radio control. They’re getting sophisticated and using RF all over the spectrum, not just the channels “legally” allowed. So, jamming them is difficult and spotty at best.
Perhaps the net deploying drone could be automated, radar guided, and computer controlled. But they are short range so someone much closer would need to launch the drone. The logistics of that is problematic. “Hey, we’ve got an alert. Where’s the drone handler?” “In the can.”
You probably won’t know if the target has a tiny jet engine or a shrouded propeller. Not all interceptors can intercept all potential targets. You’d probably be looking at no better than fifty percent. At which point you have to look at the cost of this approach vs results potentially achieved. (I suspect even automated the interception rate would be low because the launch point and targets are so close together.) You have to look at all the probabilities along the entire kill chain.
Whatever you do, it will be countered and become less effective much sooner than the missile approach.
exactly!
all this talk of restraint is BS!
our whole national defense is based on kill enemy civilians!
how can we threaten to retaliate with nukes if attacked with nukes if we simultaneously say it is wrong to target civilians?
All governments in the world are hypocrites, who simply pick and choose who to hold to the rules and who to let break them and for some unknown reason (most likely oil) we consistently allow the truly evil ones to break the rules.
So a Shahed 136 uses rear props. It is 11 ft by 8.2 ft wide with a 110 lb (2,500 kg) warhead.
Range is 1,600 miles. Speed is 115 MPH.
Cost is $20,000.
It does not say what altitude. But low altitude.
These are not the quad-copter drones that the Uks are using.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136
The germans employed V1 rockets. They were 27.3 ft long and 17.6 foot wide. Their warhead was 1,870 lbs (850 kg).
- so about the new drones are smaller with a bomb 1/10th the size (excuse typo in prior post. 110 lb/50kg 2500 km was the range)
About 1/4 of the speed.
So how do we economically take down such drones.
Cost of each take down needs to be 1/10 to 1/100 the cost of the enemy drone ($20,000 => $200 to $2,000)
I wonder if one could take control of a drone and quide it to the al-Aqsa Mosque?
The way modern attacks work is you fire your long-range missile first. You coordinate with closer allies like Hezbollah to fire a saturation assault of lesser drones and missiles, so they all arrive at the same time. I haven’t followed it closely but apparently Hezbollah wasn’t involved. Either they said they’d sit this one out or Iran wanted to act alone to shield their proxies from retaliation.
The Iron Dome missiles are used against everything that appears to be headed for a vital target.
BTW, I’ve seen photos of an alleged Ukrainian version of the Iranian drone, and it has a small jet engine.
I studied the drone interception problem extensively after I retired and got with my old company, and they financed a trip to visit a startup that had the technology we needed to defeat drone swarms. Turns out the startup was funded by CCP princelings, so I had to drop it. But here’s the short part. It’s very, very hard to intercept a swarm attack with any of the current technology. The Iron Dome missiles work great, but they are pricey.
A drone swarm requires a counter drone storm.
The defense items that don’t intercept should be recoverable and relaunchable.
Something like the ducted fan RC jets would be the right cost.
The big question is what is the means to take down the enemy craft?
sounds a lot like UK’s Chain Home plus Fighter Command system in WWII ...
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Israel advances because of absence of DEI dragging them down.
I know. Read the next line in post #7.
If so, we have learned nothing. They have Iron Dome we have no effective air defenses here in the continental US. We are totally vulnerable to this type of attack.
Hard to say. We haven't invaded Canada in a bit over 210 years...
Did you forget when they bombed The Baldwin Residence?
How do you foul their propellers?
That would be a net gain, so to speak...
Price isn't the issue at hand, replacement of used assets is. It will take months or even years to replace stockpiles used last night. Even that assumes there is no arms embargo from our professional war losing congresscritters.
And we know that because we have been attacked and couldn’t defend ourselves?
“Price isn’t the issue at hand, replacement of used assets is. “
If I recall, Israel is coproducing the missiles. I worked for Tadiran which was, at the time, the Israeli equivalent of GE. If the Israeli government decides, the Israeli production capacity will go to full auto. The holdup would be those items that are US only or limited by the ability of some supplier. Isarel will find substitutes. (They’ll just reverse engineer and steal the IP. Watched them do that.)
But here’s the issue. This will take time. Iran has demonstrated what they might be able to do. The other solution for the Israelis is to take out the Iranian capacity to build weapons while the Israelis work on replacement capacity. This can be done by, direct action, covert action, sabotage or convincing the Iranians that diversity is the key to defeating Israel.
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