Virus Prophylaxis and Treatment

Twitter | 4/22/24 | CharlesOconnell

[CharlesOConnell]

I urgently prompted my Dr. for more than 1 year for prevention and treatment protocols for possibly imminent, high lethality viruses. She's a good Dr. but her training gets in the way of giving a straight answer. The following very simple elements use 1) an inexpensive Dr. Z. protocol, 2) saline and very dilute hydrogen peroxide administered via home nebulizer, and 3) low-dose lithium from Dr. Michael Nehls.

The protocol of the late Dr. Zev Zelenko, with which he suffered only 1 demise among 7,000 patients, uses Vitamin D, zinc, quercetin to substitute for hydroxychloroquine (generally unavailable because prescription only) to allow the zinc to be assimilated, and Vitamin C to make quercetin to work. (So, Vitamin C to Quercetin to Zinc.)

HCQ is prescription based only. Dr. Zelenko recommends Quercetin as an over-the-counter alternative. It is a plant derivative that does essentially the same thing as HCQ and is readily available. Quercetin, like HCQ, is a zinc ionophore which allows a rapid increase in intracellular zinc levels. It also enhances vitamin transportation to the cells. Vitamin C is a required cofactor for Quercetin to work. Vitamin D helps our immune systems to stay balanced.

Common home Nebulizer ($30-$40) as shown at Amazon, for administration into the Naso-Pharyngeal area of Saline and very dilute Peroxide. (CAUTION: Very exact dilution of the Peroxide is essential. Many people are used to saline nose wash. But failure to properly dilute the Peroxide can cause grave illness.)

Dr. Michael Nehls argues persuasively that, in addition to Vitamin D, low dose lithium, 1mg-5mg, is essential for good health of the hippocampus, for establishing new nerve cells so our store of auto-biographical memories aren't overwritten--we could forget what we used to know, and how we came to know it--and Alzheimer's avoidance. https://michaelnehls.substack.com/p/lithium-the-essential-trace-element

The only missing part of the protocol is prescription-only Azithromycin (take two 250 mg tablets by mouth on day 1, then take one 250 mg tablet by mouth daily on days 2 through 5). A group called the Wellness Company does website driven remote prescriptions, but only with a rather pricey kit at about $300.

[exDemMom]

The third way to prevent catching a viral disease is to have natural immunity from beating one of it's related strains.

Catching a disease in order to avoid catching it makes absolutely no sense. This particular piece of misinformation is so illogical and ridiculous, I don't see how people fall for it in the first place.

It's also very dangerous.

If I am in danger of exposure to rabies, would it make any sense at all to go out and catch it deliberately? Well, that *would* prevent me from catching it in the future. But probably not in the way I want.

Disease-induced immunity is not as broad or protective as vaccine-induced immunity. In addition, no immunity against coronaviruses lasts for more than a few months. Ever catch a cold, then another cold, then another cold? You keep catching them because immunity is not permanent.

[exDemMom]

People who were exposed to SARS COVID in 2003 still had the antibodies in 2019.

Really?

First, where is/are the citation(s)?

I would like to know how the researchers are completely certain that those antibodies were actually induced by SARS1 and not one of the commonly circulating coronaviruses that cause the common cold? Antibodies tend to be cross-reactive. In my experience doing western blots, antibodies against a certain protein worked on extracts from a variety of species--human, mouse, rat, guinea pig, monkey, hamster, etc. And there was considerable cross-reactivity in each sample, as well, against proteins that were not the protein I was studying.

Since coronaviruses all have pretty much the same proteins, I would expect antibodies against coronaviruses to be fairly reactive against all strains.

Western blot analysis of G proteins of wheat seedlings grown in different light regimes.

This is a random western blot image that I pulled off the internet to illustrate the cross-reactivity of antibodies. Look at how many protein bands the antibody highlighted. The only way you can tell which protein is the "right" one is through size analysis (which is not included on this blot).

[exDemMom]

I'm sorry.

I should have put a disclaimer in. I provide links to the medical literature and other pertinent information. If you want to debunk me, you have only to look at those links and identify what I have misrepresented or even lied about.

“I surmise that you have never actually been in a biosafety or biosurety room”

BEEP. WRONG. Again. This is becoming a disturbing trend with you.

I made that assumption because your previous response appeared to have been written by someone who is completely unfamiliar with biosafety/biosurety protocols.

Fact is, you push the term vaccination when, as related to covid, its nothing of the sort. Nor does it stop someone from contracting it, nor does it stop someone from transmitting it.

A Covid vaccine is a vaccine because it causes the immune system to produce specific T-cells, B-cells, and antibodies against the spike protein coded in the vaccine. (Fun fact: a vaccine doesn't have to target a pathogen. Most vaccines target proteins of non-pathogenic organisms and are not used in medicine at all.)

Like any other vaccine, how well the Covid vaccine works depends on the immune function of the person receiving it. Because the vaccine actually doesn't do anything; the immune system does all the work. If your immune system is impaired for whatever reason, getting vaccinated won't be as effective. But, as long as you have some immune function, the vaccine *will* help to decrease severity of illness by training your immune system ahead of time.

FYI, the trope that a vaccine isn't a "real" vaccine if it doesn't protect 100% of the people receiving it from catching the disease has been around for decades. It was just dusted off and reused for Covid antivax propaganda.

[exDemMom]

You’re, by self admission, a ex-dem.

I'm an ex-dem because I was raised in a very leftist environment and gradually came to realize that democrats are pushing socialism, which, in turn, leads to totalitarianism when allowed to grow unchecked.

Please explain to me how medical misinformation is a fundamentally conservative position. Given that my early experiences with medical misinformation all came from leftist sources, I am rather puzzled as to how charlatanism came to be embraced by conservatives at all.

[T.B. Yoits]

Catching a disease in order to avoid catching it makes absolutely no sense. This particular piece of misinformation is so illogical and ridiculous, I don't see how people fall for it in the first place.

Really? Wow. Just wow.

My statement was "The third way to prevent catching a viral disease is to have natural immunity from beating one of it's related strains."

This particular piece of misinformation is so illogical and ridiculous, yet more than two hundred years ago, British physician Edward Jenner created the first vaccine after noticing that milkmaids, who had previously gotten cowpox, were immune to smallpox. Jenner correctly figured out that giving people less harmful cowpox would give them immunity to smallpox.

It's called a vaccination - 'vacca' meaning 'cow' in Latin.

[T.B. Yoits]

There are dozens of reports that people exposed to SARS COVID in 2003 still had the antibodies in 2019.

Just for starters:

https://news.ohsu.edu/2021/01/25/sars-cov-2-reacts-to-antibodies-of-virus-from-2003-sars-outbreak-new-study-reveals

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-vaccines-may-trigger-superimmunity-people-who-had-sars-long-ago

[T.B. Yoits]

Since coronaviruses all have pretty much the same proteins, I would expect antibodies against coronaviruses to be fairly reactive against all strains.

Then, as people correctly pointed out, no one needed a pFascist murdeRNA shot since mankind is exposed to coronaviruses all the time - and would have the antibodies already.

[T.B. Yoits]

Ever catch a cold, then another cold, then another cold? You keep catching them because immunity is not permanent.

Sure, we all see people catching Chicken Pox every couple of months.

You catch a different cold because you're facing a different strain of the virus. Your immunity, unless compromised, could be lifelong.

The researchers showed that people who had the antibodies for SARS COVID in 2003 still had the antibodies for COVID-19. (likely because the COVID-19 bioweapon was built by the same group who built the SARS COVID bioweapon in 2003).

[The Mayor]

I have both Ivermectin and HCQ that I bought from India.
I found a great resource for both and more.

[Chickensoup]

I get them right here in home state

[bitt]

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[The Mayor]

That’s great but not in this commie state of NY

[thinden]

heads up

[esquirette]

Lysine.

[Chickensoup]

but you can get it too

[exDemMom]

I would be extremely cautious in using either of those references as justification for an "alternative treatment" protocol for Covid.

Quercetin and Vitamin C: An Experimental, Synergistic Therapy for the Prevention and Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Related Disease (COVID-19)

That is not a research paper. It is a review which collates the findings of previous research in order to present the hypothesis that quercetin and vitamin C might be efficacious against Covid. It does not constitute pre-clinical in vitro, cell culture, or animal studies and certainly is no substitute for rigorous clinical studies in humans. The FDA would never give market approval for the use of quercetin with vitamin C to treat Covid based on this extremely limited review that has no clinical or animal data to back it up.

I previously discussed limitations of this paper in my reply #11 to this thread, but apparently messed up on the link.

20-Week Study of Clinical Outcomes of Over-the-Counter COVID-19 Prophylaxis and Treatment

This paper has a number of limitations.

First, it does not show the usual indicator of peer-review. It shows a "published online" date, but does not show the date it was received or the date it was received in revised form or an acceptance date. Peer-reviewed articles usually show three or four different dates. I doubt that the authors would be able to get this published in any peer-reviewed journal.

Second, the size of the study (113 subjects split between control and study groups) is extremely small, too small for any robust statistical analysis. Clinical studies with high statistical power usually include several hundred, usually over a thousand patients.

Note: the statistical weakness of this "study" was apparently noticed by other readers, since the authors issued the linked explanation of their statistical method a few months later. Benefit of OTC Formula Against COVID-19—Statistical Analysis Explained. The explanation is not very convincing, either, to anyone who is familiar with the types of statistical analysis used in clinical studies.

Third, the outcome measure was whether people caught Covid or not. The study did not examine treatment outcomes in patients who actually had Covid and no conclusions on the efficacy of the protocol described can be made based on the data provided.

This one sentence from the linked paper encapsulates the problem: At an interim evaluation point of 5 weeks after implementation of the protocols, the only clinical and/or test-confirmed cases of COVID-19 arose in the non-compliant control group; on the other hand, none of the regimen-compliant subjects presented with symptoms of any viral illness.

The study was non-blinded and patients basically self-selected to be in one group or the other. The difference in whether or not they caught Covid is most likely explained by behavior. Those who were in the "compliant" group were probably more concerned about their health overall and likely took other measures to avoid Covid, such as diligent use of masks and avoiding being around other people unless absolutely necessary. And those in the "non-compliant" group probably were less concerned about Covid and took more risks.

Fourth: none of the authors have experience in medical (especially infectious disease) research. They are all affiliated with the Comprehensive Pain Management Institute, LLC, Columbus, OH. Pain management is a different specialty than infectious disease. Furthermore, medical research is very different from the practice of medicine. Their lack of experience explains why this paper is of such poor quality.

I will end the analysis here.

Disclaimer: I am purposely open about my sources so that anyone who wishes to debunk me can look at the sources and explain exactly how I misrepresented them, how the sources themselves are suspect, or how I outright lied. (No one has debunked me yet.)

[The Mayor]

Yes for sure, actually I have a stockpile of both.

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Virus Prophylaxis and Treatment, exDemMom wrote:

I highly recommend that if you happen to catch Covid, avoid this unscientific and untested "protocol."

Of course you would recommend against the protoccol so many successfully used throughout Covid, and of course you would lie and say it was 'unscientific and untested'. Search the web for a few seconds and learn that Querciten and Zinc work together quite well and have properties beneficial to many forms of illness. Here's one of the studies re Zinc/Quercetin and Vitamin C

Adv Virol. 2022; 2022: 1575605.

Published online 2022 Jun 8. doi: 10.1155/2022/1575605

PMCID: PMC9200564

PMID: 35721668

The Anti-Cytokine Storm Activity of Quercetin Zinc and Vitamin C Complex

Hayder B. Sahib, ¹ Omer Abid Kathum, ² Rafal Shakeeb Alanee, ¹ Rehab A. M Jawad, ³ and Ahmed Majeed Al-Shammari ⁴

Of course, Dr. Z was able to claim that he only saw one death among 7,000 patients. That's because the patients following his "protocol" whose illness got worse ended up in the hospital and were no longer his patients.

You just flat made that up. You, an anonymous source just made up lies against a man who saved lives and put his face/name/reputation next to his recommendations. But back-biters like you are plentiful, and never put your name and credentials next to your 'recommendations' and lies.

There are only two ways to prevent catching a viral disease. One way is to completely avoid exposure. If the virus spreads through the respiratory route, the only surefire way to avoid exposure is to stay indoors where all the air is filtered.

You're not even trying. Who said 'all the indoor air is filtered'? No one. Indoor air is often inferior to outdoor air because indoors, chemicals used in manufacturing and cleaning, in addition to viruses and bacteria in/on other people and the items they bring into the home, are all concentrated and breathed, and rebreathed. That's why radon is worse indoors than outdoors - it's trapped.

The other way is to get vaccinated. This way depends on how well your immune system functions (if you have a disease that impairs immune function, you won't be as protected), but it gives you a great deal of freedom as compared to remaining in isolation.

We all watched the vaccinated get Covid again and again and again - you're one of the few who are still trying to claim the 'vaccine' will prevent infection.

Quercetin and (hydroxy)chloroquine are not interchangeable. They each interact with different proteins in the body and they have different structures:

Structure of (H)Cl. The addition of oxygen on the end (the "hydroxy" addition) makes the molecule more water soluble.

Structure of quercetin.

They simply are not the same or even similar.

They don't need to be the same or even similar. Quercetin and Zinc work together well to mitigate Cytokine storm and other aspects of illness, and improve absorption of Zinc.

From the article, "Quercetin, like HCQ, is a zinc ionophore which allows a rapid increase in intracellular zinc levels. "

The graphic claims that zinc cannot get into cells. This is completely untrue.

SOME zinc is not absorbed by SOME cells, and Quercetin helps. So to improve Zinc uptake, some people take Quercetin. For those taking supplements, the advice is usually to take Zinc supplements with food to improve absorption.

There is an entire class of proteins called "zinc finger proteins" that interact with DNA. How would those proteins exist if zinc does not enter cells? In the real world, where scientists live, any substance that increases the uptake of zinc into cells would be a serious toxicity concern. No scientist would make such a recommendation without a serious body of evidence to support it.

Drama much? Taking Zinc supplements with food improves absorption, and scientists have yet to panic.

As for antiviral properties of quercetin plus vitamin C, I found this one paper: Quercetin and Vitamin C: An Experimental, Synergistic Therapy for the Prevention and Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Related Disease (COVID-19). (www.pubmed.gov search conducting using term "quercetin AND vitamin c viral.")

You didn't look much - just a glance and you found one paper?

Judging by the fact that this paper is only a review--meaning that its purpose is to summarize a body of research on the subject--and there are no follow-on study publications, I surmise two things. One, that this review was written in conjunction with a research grant application for pre-clinical studies. Two, that in vitro and in vivo (animal) studies did not pan out.

ALL OF THE ANIMAL STUDIES OF THE mRNA platform 'didn't pan out' because the animals sickened/died. mRNA never protected a single human from illness in the run up to the plandemic because mRNA 'vaccines' were a) gene therapy and b) never made it past animal trials to be tested on humans.

I would never suggest a human treatment protocol based only on a literature review without extensive studies to back it up.

But you're here pushing an experimental an inadequately test gene therapy. I say that because the FTC filing for the Covid 'vaccines' stated that these were gene therapy but would be allowed to be marketed as 'vaccines' in order to avoid 'vaccine hesitancy'.

Japan refused to purchase the 'vaccine' until an industry standard test assessing bioaccummulation was performed on the Covid 'vaccines. That test takes 24 hrs but was never done until Japan balked at purchase. You're in favor of suggesting 'vaccines' without extensive studies, or even industry standard studies. You even suggest people take these 'vaccines' despite all the known problems coming to light, in addition to it's failed history prior to the plandemic.

The recommendation of 5,000 U of vitamin D per day is excessive. Since vitamin D is fat soluble, excesses are not eliminated rapidly. Taking that much vitamin D can lead to the buildup of toxic quantities of vitamin D in the body. The safest way to take vitamin D is on the advice of your doctor who tells you an appropriate dose based on your serum levels. It's not safe to take mega doses of vitamin D (or anything else) just because you read something on the internet or saw it in some "health guru" book.

I don't know if anyone ever told you, but Vitamin D is commonly sold in unit of 5,000 U. Seems like you need to rush around and tell the industry not to sell those supplements. You should probably tell the public that if they follow your toxic advice and stay indoors to avoid exposure, they won't get enough sunlight to produce Vitamin D- just a thought.

Finally, I will say that I commend the addition of a warning to dilute the hydrogen peroxide. I would never use H2O2 for anything except topical use; I don't want to breathe any more of it than I am exposed to when I open the H2O2 bottle. H2O2 is an oxidant with broad antimicrobial properties due to its toxicity.

Too many people on FR know more than you do for you to have much of an impact trying to steer the public to the 'vaccines'.

[little jeremiah]

The first time we got covid we used Quercetin, zinc, C, D, and my own anti-viral herb tinctures and anti-microbial herb blend. Being an herbalist, I have a lot of stuff on hand. Our sickness was very mild, lasted less than a week, with few sequelae. Covid was weird; had odd neurological effects, since it was a bio-weapon, not a naturally occurring virus.

[little jeremiah]

Dr.Mom cannot be this ill-informed. She is an intentional shill for the Medico-Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex.