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Public Sex, Marrying Within the Family, and Dry Wells
Dear Mrs Web Daily Personal Advice Column ^ | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 | Dear Mrs. Web

Posted on 07/31/2002 4:38:22 AM PDT by mlmr

Dear Mrs. Web,

My mother knows that I am sleeping with my boyfriend. She has told us that we cannot have sex at our house. We can't go to his house either because his grandmother won't let a girl up into his bedroom. This leaves public places as the only choice, which my mother says is fine with her.

I am however, worried about getting caught. I am aware that it is against the law, but this is the only chance we get. What would happen if we were caught by or reported to the police? Could we be charged with indecent behavior at such young ages (15 and 16)?

I have no idea what the law would do to two children who are caught ... well, ahem...caught. In Dear Mrs. Web's day you both would have been shipped off to bleak training schools to wear ghastly uniforms, eat saltpeter, and learn a useful trade.

Dear Mrs. Web has always believed that one has sex only when one has a ring, a marriage certificate and of course, the means to pay for a bedroom.

If your mother is advocating that you, her young daughter, have sex in the bushes, you have many more problems than finding a place to rut.

It sounds like you have not been taught about what sex really means and the commitments and responsibilities that go along with it. Your have not learned to respect your body and to treasure and protect it. You have not learned about how committed love turns sex into lovemaking and allows you to truly bond with your beloved. How sad! Dear Mrs. Web would certainly discuss these matters with your mother, in depth, in detail and vigorously.

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Dear Mrs. Web,

I am involved with my sister's ex-husband. We are in love and have bought a house together. How can our relationship be accepted by our families? I am worried about hurting my sister's feelings. We found out that it is legal to marry each other here. He has asked and I want to. I guess what I've been looking for is someone's blessing.

My sister left the marriage and I cannot help that things worked out this way. Is there any way I can overcome our family issues?

I don’t think there is a way around your sister’s feelings. I cannot imagine how you could make this better with your sister. Some do say that time heals all wounds. Dear Mrs Web is doubtful that this one will fix.

There are just some places you just don't go. Marrying the former spouses of family members is a place to avoid at all costs. That is too big and shatters family safety and loyalty. Those things are important, even for the family members who are messing up their lives. It is not prudent, normal, or wise to place this in the middle of your family.

Essentially, what you say here is that you want what you want. There is nothing more that I can add.

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Dear Mrs. Web,

My 55 year old sister has stopped speaking to my mother and me for almost 3 years now. She was a high-powered MBA who developed an immune-deficiency diseases. She no longer works

She has always been difficult and we were never close. I sent her husband flowers once after he had surgery. Since she was not speaking to me at the time, my mother told me about the surgery. My sister totally freaked out and said I was trying to show her up.

I have tried to convey my love and caring to my sister. My sister accused me of causing all her problems in life. Throughout our lives I have had little contact with her except at holidays. She was successful, talented, intelligent, and popular, went to a fantastic college....

I have a contented and smaller life with 4 sons and a sweet husband. I was a teacher and I loved my work. I have never been affluent or extremely popular. How can I have ever affected her life? I never have asked her for anything. She, on the other hand, was always mean to me even as a child. We know she was seeing a psychologist and told us the psychologist told her to break ties with us.

She stopped speaking to our recently widowed 80 year old mother right after she lost her husband. My mother is old and want to have a decent relationship with my sister. She has sent my sister cards and gifts and they have been all returned, not accepted. My mother is a wonderful, caring woman. For my mother's sake I would like my sister to connect with us. Any suggestions?

Why are you trying to tie strings with this emotionally toxic woman? She is a dry well and you sit there demanding water.

Yes, yes, I know, for your mother's sake.

If your mother hasn’t figured out that she has a toxic and unavailable daughter - she is just not seeing reality - as sad as the truth is for her. I am not trying to minimize your mother's heartbreak over her angry and blaming daughter. Instead, I am trying to break through the unrealistic expectations.

How to Hug a Porcupine is a book that teaches people to detach from the toxic people in their lives. It is on my website bookshelf. Read it and live a better life. A life that sees reality and does not demand the impossible.

Best,

Dear Mrs. Web


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To: mlmr
Item 1.
A real mother would never leave her underaged daughter(15 is too young even to date) alone with a boy let alone allow her to fool around in some alley or park bathroom.
Item 2.
Being involved with the ex-spouses of family members seem like something very painful and I know it's something I would avoid.
Item 3.
Every family has a difficult member. I have aunts and uncles my father has not seen in almost forty years because they think he is a dry well.
41 posted on 07/31/2002 2:49:28 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: concerned about politics
Smart columist. Moral fabric is way too important to take lightly

Forturnatly the culture is changing and the seventies dinosours and their get, like the ones that are on this thread, are dying off.

We are not needing to teach a lost generation whose parents dropped the moral ball. These who want a more traditional morality are young and searching.

42 posted on 07/31/2002 3:14:30 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: Servant of the Nine
I know women who have had hundreds, sometimes thousands of partners by thirty

I guess this thread is dead by now, but are you serious? Assuming they started at 15, that's more than 100 different partners a year, every year, for 15 years. Were your acquaintances porn stars or hookers? And did their husbands know they were #2001? Did they care?

43 posted on 07/31/2002 3:29:43 PM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: benjaminthomas
This thread isn't as dead as you think because there is a nasty little secret about multiple partners for women. It contributes to sterility. Many women with mulitple partners become sterile becasue of silent pelvic inflamnatory disease.
44 posted on 07/31/2002 3:35:20 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
Well, you'd think that might be the least of their problems, having been used/abused by thousands over a relatively short time period. Heck, I don't care if it's 50 years, 1000 partners is just kinda creepy. I'd guess there is some pretty severe pyschological damage going on, in addition to the physical. Not to mention that with that many partners, regardless of the birth control measures (so sanguinely assumed by our dear correspondent)used, there are bound to have been multiple pregnancies (likely all terminated).

In a word, sick.

45 posted on 07/31/2002 4:06:29 PM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: benjaminthomas
I absolutely agree with you and we see the results of this sort of behavior in the almost PTSD qualities of promiscious men and women and both sex prostitiutes.

They lose their hearts and souls.

46 posted on 07/31/2002 4:16:38 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: Linda Liberty
Just found this thread. Very interesting.

Just wanted to let you know that not everybody who reached adulthood during the 70s agrees with you.

How anyone can look around at the wreckage created by the sexual revolution, the most profound disaster of our time, and think that it has been a benefit to society is quite beyond my comprehension.

I have no desire to force my beliefs on you or anyone else.

The fundamental building block of society is the family. Sexual adventurism destroys families. Most of our problems, especially those of minorities and poor people, are caused by the decline of families.

You can connect the dots yourself.
47 posted on 07/31/2002 6:07:20 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Linda Liberty
Thanks for the candid reply. As you can probably guess, I don't agree with your position (since I don't think that God is outdated), but you do have free will (which He gave to you, by the way :). I also don't think that by ignoring these kinds of moral issues we are "better off for it", as you put it, but I don't have time to go there, and I don't want to get any farther off topic than I have.

Nice chatting.
48 posted on 07/31/2002 6:26:16 PM PDT by Pablo64
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To: mlmr
How to Hug a Porcupine

I bought a book one time
titled How To Hug, but I
had to take it back.  It was
the sixth volume in a set
of encyclopedia.

49 posted on 07/31/2002 7:23:59 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Linda Liberty; J Schweinbagel; Pablo64
More importantly, I don't think there is any reason to believe that sex out of wedlock is wrong. I think that an ideal life includes plenty of premarital sex. And I don't consider myself a hedonist, either. I think that people who marry as virgins have far more regrets on their deathbed than people who behave morally. Rules that may have been appropriate before condoms and penicilin and women in the work force are just outdated.

[Reposted from another thread]

Teaching kids such things wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so prone to forget a few key points:

  1. Premarital pregnancy is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
  2. The fact that abortion is legal does not change #1.
  3. Penile-vaginal contact between fertile individuals creates a non-zero risk of pregancy, no matter what contraceptive methods are employed.
  4. Marriage between conception and childbirth may render the premarital pregnancy marginally acceptable, but see #9.
  5. One may only experience any form of intimacy "the first time", once.
  6. Having all of one's intimate "first times" with the same person makes them much sweeter in a manner that may only be appreciated by one who does so.
  7. Premature intimacy can and often will sabotage a relationship, just as building the walls of a building will doom the project if done before the foundation is secure.
  8. If one becomes accustomed to the "quick payoff" offered by short-term intimate relationships, it will become very hard to wait out the non-intimate parts which are necessary at the start of a real one.
  9. One is unlikely to know at 16 the identity of the person with whom one is really going to want to spend the rest of one's days.
Taken as a whole, these principles do not totally rule out premarital intimacy. My wife and I started sharing a bed after we got engaged but had she gotten pregnant before we were married I would have been 100% certain it wasn't by me. As to whether others would be able to share a bed for three months without engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse, I'm sure some would and some wouldn't. My late wife and I thought we could and we did. I would not, however, expect a typical pair of 17-year-olds to be able to do likewise.
50 posted on 07/31/2002 9:40:25 PM PDT by supercat
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To: gcruse
How to Hug"

LOL But it is a very good book!

51 posted on 08/01/2002 4:13:02 AM PDT by mlmr
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To: supercat
You write words of true wisdom, sir.
52 posted on 08/01/2002 4:15:02 AM PDT by mlmr
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