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Sony pulls plug on Betamax
AP ^

Posted on 08/27/2002 1:00:21 PM PDT by babaloo999

TOKYO (AP) - Sony closed the final chapter of its legendary battle with Victor Co. of Japan to dominate the home

video machine market, when it announced Tuesday that it would discontinue its Betamax VCRs.

Sony will stop manufacturing Betamax machines by year's end as the company refocuses its efforts on DVD and other

technologies now dominating the market, Sony spokeswoman Shoko Yanagizawa said.

The announcement marks the end of a 27-year run, during which the fabled brand sold 18 million units worldwide in

a race against VHS technology from its archrival Victor Co., which is also known as JVC, to set the video format standard.

Betamax was first to market, hitting stores in 1975 and peaking with global sales of 2.3 million units in 1984.

But the decision not to share its technology with rival companies proved to be Sony's fatal mistake.

In a classic case of the underdog winning the race, VHS -short for "video home system" - had clearly won the battle

by the mid-1980s. The technology used now in millions of video recorders around the world is JVC's.

While the war between competing standards is ensconced in business lore - with many die-hard fans still debating the

pros and cons of the two technologies - Yanagizawa blamed the decision to halt production on the new era of DVDs and

other advanced digital technologies that are making the videocassette obsolete.

Even for JVC, videocassette technology is losing its luster. The company lost money two of the last three fiscal years

and is forecasting losses for the year that ended March 31.

Overseas production of the Betamax ground to a halt in 1998. In Japan, Sony produced just 2,800 units in 2001.


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1 posted on 08/27/2002 1:00:21 PM PDT by babaloo999
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To: babaloo999
Most people that I have know that have had personal experience with OS2 say that it was superior to Windows. I guess that shows my CEO's typically come from Marketing and Sales rather then Engineering. It's not how good your mousetrap is, it's how well you market it. 'Nuff said.
2 posted on 08/27/2002 1:06:14 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Yeah, Dittos. VHS vs Beta, Windows vs Mac, etc.
3 posted on 08/27/2002 1:18:32 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: babaloo999
Yikes! I was just reading a thread on time travel and for a second there I thought I had traveled back in time!
4 posted on 08/27/2002 1:19:00 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: babaloo999
Does this mean they are going to stop making 8-track tape players now too???
5 posted on 08/27/2002 1:28:35 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
We had a Beta and used OS/2 starting with version 1.2, using it up until Windows NT 4.0 came out. Definitely an engineer household.
6 posted on 08/27/2002 1:30:15 PM PDT by krb
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To: babaloo999
I have a brand new condition (rebuilt) by Sony of the SL-2500 Betamax w/remote; still in the box as repaired! Cost more than my entire entertainment center did today in 1984 dollars!
7 posted on 08/27/2002 1:33:59 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Yeah, OS/2 was better than Windows.

So, in a fit of marketing non-expertise, IBM didn't port any of their apps to it.

In short, they didn't eat their own dogfood and drink their own Kool-Aid.

8 posted on 08/27/2002 1:35:51 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
If you were to compile a book entitled "Strategic blunders made by IBM" it would be a rather large volume. LOL.
9 posted on 08/27/2002 1:45:49 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: krb
We had a Beta and used OS/2 starting with version 1.2, using it up until Windows NT 4.0 came out. Definitely an engineer household.

Cool. I am told that many banks still run their apps on OS/2 and also that many ATM's run OS/2 as well.

10 posted on 08/27/2002 1:46:59 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
If you were to compile a book entitled "Strategic blunders made by IBM" it would be a rather large volume. LOL.

A guy I know who's been looking at the computing scene since the days of the IMSAI Altair 8080 described Microsoft vs. Everyone Else as being rather like Operation Desert Storm: Microsoft did nothing important wrong while their opposition did nothing at all right.

11 posted on 08/27/2002 1:49:06 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: mc5cents
I went checking for the date of the article too.
12 posted on 08/27/2002 1:51:17 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Same for Amiga vs. PC.

That's why business types have zero respect for engineers. They know people are stupid enough to create a market for rubber dog sheet and fake vomit.

Why bother getting it right when you know you can sell anything?

13 posted on 08/27/2002 1:54:42 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Poohbah
In Sony's case, they would not allow porn to be ported to it. VHS, no problem. I wonder it that was the problem
with laser discs? I heard the VCR time on life support.

Back to the future with discs. Well recordable [DVD] discs. Or so says all the spam email I get.

14 posted on 08/27/2002 1:55:47 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Though not as large as the one over at Xerox.
15 posted on 08/27/2002 1:55:57 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Calvin Locke
In Sony's case, they would not allow porn to be ported to it. VHS, no problem.

???????

Porn tapes were out on Betamax and VHS in the early days.

I wonder it that was the problem with laser discs?

Nope. Again, porn was available on laserdisc.

16 posted on 08/27/2002 1:57:45 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: babaloo999
I recall working retail back when I was in college. I set up a display of the then brand-new Beta Hi-Fi VCR. The department manager gave me a vacant, uncomprehending look when I asked if I could pull another audio receiver and a set of speakers to hook up to it. "What do you want to do THAT for?", he asked. :-)

I remember the demo tape that came with the Beta Hi-Fi machine, too. It had the Ride of the Valkries scene from Apocalypse Now, as well as a bunch of other stuff to show off the audio quality. There was a copy of an *old* (the first?) music video by Mike Nesmith on the tape, IIRC. It was an effective demo tape, though; it really blew the customers away.

I spent an awful lot of time on the phone, telling customers how to hook the things up.

17 posted on 08/27/2002 1:58:07 PM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Banks run their accounting and db on Unix, but financial datacomm is still usually run on OS/2. A lot of the major vendors in financial datacomm used OS/2 and their support people don't want to learn any new tricks. I've had to support it from time to time, it's not a bad OS.
18 posted on 08/27/2002 1:58:57 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: plain talk
Yeah, Dittos. VHS vs Beta, Windows vs Mac, etc.

Harley vs Honda...

19 posted on 08/27/2002 2:04:08 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Poohbah
Never saw a laser disc, except for some arcade video game that touted itself as having it.

I read an article about Sony fighting the porn industry tooth & nail. Maybe they caved in when they saw the sales figures of porn tapes.

20 posted on 08/27/2002 2:07:20 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Laser discs (and even RCA CED discs) had porn releases.

CEDs were like a record (and came in a white plastic casing that unloaded inside the machine). They were played with a stylus and thus were degenerative everytime they played.

CED spet a misconception in the minds of early LD buyers.

The biggest complaint that I heard about laserdiscs from those who would not buy one was "can't record on it" (aka "I don't buy movies, I just rent them/tape").

Even when digital sound, original aspect ratio, higher resolution, multi-audio (commentary track), alternate footage releases were coming out on LD, it was considered a high brow niche market.

DVD came along with a rapidly dropping price structure (even today many movies cost less than a CD) to grow the market base. And suddenly everyone is a film buff, an expert on the improvements, etc.

Some deny it but laserdisc was thrown on the dustbin of technology to avoid market confusion with DVD. Image Entertainment folded their LD/DVD catalog (which was an industry adzine available for free at video stores) when the DVD manufacturers were complaining about the potential confusion caused by listing some titles that were format exclusive (jealousy more like, "Why can't I get that title in my format?").

Industrial use of LD continued as DVD went through the market (stores and presentations continued on LD).

I still prefer it to the goofy menu system, region coding, macrovision, and control blockouts (forcing you to watch studio fanfares, copyright notices, etc.).

21 posted on 08/27/2002 2:19:06 PM PDT by weegee
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To: babaloo999
The vital difference between the two was record time. The original Betamax only had 1 hour on the tape. Even if it was technically superior, short record times would be a killer. Most of my taping is done in 6 hour mode even though 2 hour has a better picture. Unless I expect to keep the tape, my VCR stays in EP mode.
22 posted on 08/27/2002 2:26:33 PM PDT by KarlInOhio
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To: hopespringseternal
> Same for Amiga vs. PC.
YES!! Trust me, nobody, and I mean nobody, not OS/2 Warp guys, not Mac heads, not Linux kiddies will ever approach the fire of an Amiga advocate.

I've been using Windows since 1.03. Paid for 2.11 (before that, it was "that thing you needed to run PageMaker").

I have seen all the wars. Nothing beats an Amiga fan.

Admittedly, they had some pretty cool stuff.
23 posted on 08/27/2002 3:17:14 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step
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To: Wm Bach
[VHS vs Beta, Windows vs Mac, etc.]

Harley vs Honda...

Nice try. But, even with the aid of Federal market intervention, I don't see H-D running Honda out of business anytime soon. ;-)

24 posted on 08/27/2002 3:35:32 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I am told that many banks still run their apps on OS/2 and also that many ATM's run OS/2 as well.

Yep...another analogous painring: IBM's SNA (System Network Architecture) was vastly superior to the freely available TCP/IP networking protocols, which is why ATMs could be made reiable and relatively cheaply with PCs running 16-bit OS/2 and Communications Manager/2 (the SNA implementation for OS/2).

I've even seen experiments that show that you can encapsulate TCP/IP traffic onto an SNA network then parse it out at the end (thus incurring overhead) AND STILL handle more traffic on your network than you can with a pure TCP/IP network.

But IBM (and Sony, and maybe Microsoft one day?) with their proprietary ways...don't even get me started on Microchannel Architecture!

25 posted on 08/27/2002 5:18:01 PM PDT by krb
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To: krb
Well krb, you had be going for just an instant, as I had never encounterd the term "painring" before... I'd heard of
"webring" of course and then there is "token ring". But about the third time through I figured out that "painring" was "pairing".

I'd not heard of tunneling TCP/IP through SNA, but tunneling SNA through an IP cloud has made at least a few companies very rich indeed. In the case of the ATMs that may be well how they talk to their host.

But the last point at the end seems almost like "something for nothing". I guess the devil would be in the details.

And yes, the marketplace does seem to love open standards!
26 posted on 08/27/2002 5:48:51 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: babaloo999
What about Betacam (the professional version of Beta?) I've never heard of anyone using VHS for real professional broadcast video work, but Betacam was and probably found in quite a number of television stations (most have probably gone digital, but I would expect much of the analog equipment is still Betacam).

I don't know exactly how the technical details of Betacam and Betamax compare, though I've been told that mechanically they're identical or nearly so. Betacam IIRC splits the video into Y:U:V components and stores the Y component at double speed followed by the U and V components at 4x speed (so each scan line still takes up 63.6us worth of tape). I don't know what Betamax does. VHS separates out the Y:U:V components and then amplitude-modulates the U and V on top of the Y using different carrier frequencies (NTSC broadcast video amplitude-modulates U and V at the same frequency, 90 degrees out of phase; VHS does not do this, because preserving the necessary phase relationships would require a tape transport with less than 50ns of jitter).

27 posted on 08/27/2002 6:00:43 PM PDT by supercat
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To: krb
...don't even get me started on Microchannel Architecture!

At least from what I understand they avoided the "interrupt" bottleneck that has plagued every other PC bus before or since, up to and including PCI.

28 posted on 08/27/2002 6:02:35 PM PDT by supercat
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I'd not heard of tunneling TCP/IP through SNA

It was strictly experimental stuff that I saw when I was at IBM. They were looking for ways to get people to notice that SNA is a better way to network.

29 posted on 08/27/2002 6:05:19 PM PDT by krb
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To: supercat
At least from what I understand they avoided the "interrupt" bottleneck that has plagued every other PC bus before or since, up to and including PCI.

That's my point. MCA was awesome. Shared interrupts, 32-bit ahead of its day, streaming mode that could transfer 64 bits at a time (using the address bus pins as more data)...but totally bungled by IBM.

30 posted on 08/27/2002 6:11:53 PM PDT by krb
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To: krb
That's my point. MCA was awesome. Shared interrupts, 32-bit ahead of its day, streaming mode that could transfer 64 bits at a time (using the address bus pins as more data)...but totally bungled by IBM.

Are there any features of the Microchannel architecture which would have made it impossible to design a "compatibility" slot?

31 posted on 08/27/2002 11:27:26 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
I don't know exactly how the technical details of Betacam and Betamax compare, though I've been told that mechanically they're identical or nearly so.

I don't know the details, but I do know that in practice they're not that much alike. First of all, Betacam tapes are broadcast quality, and it takes extremely expensive (and heavy) camera and recorders/players to use them. Second, the tapes themselves are nothing alike. Betacam tapes are at least three time bigger than regular VHS tapes, and probably six times bigger than original home Betamax tapes. They also weigh much much more. Once you've worked at a TV network for more than a couple of weeks, you'll inevitably grab a VHS tape to watch and practically have it fly backwards out of your hand because you were instinctively expecting a huge Betacam tape. From that point on, VHS tapes look and feel like mere toys to you.

32 posted on 08/28/2002 12:23:37 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Calvin Locke
In Sony's case, they would not allow porn to be ported to it. VHS, no problem.

Not true.

33 posted on 08/28/2002 2:07:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: Timesink; supercat
There were professional broadcast VCR systems based on both Beta and VHS cassettes. Sony Betacam in the first instance, and a competing system whose catchphrase I don't recall from Panasonic.

Both started out with a standard consumer-style shell, which was loaded with premium tape and had special coding notches in the shell. In the case of Sony, they then engineered larger cassettes to hold more time, and machines with larger slots to accept the range of cassette sizes. Thus, the same basic format could be used for portable camcorder (ENG/EFP) work, spot/actuality insertion, and full-length program on-air origination.

The larger cassette was prompted by the fact that the tape ran at a higher linear speed, thus reducing the amount of time that could be stored in the original small cassette.

The reason for the higher linear speed was that more tracks were being laid down per frame of video; I believe in the case of Betacam it was two tracks, but it might have been three. The first track was strictly for luminance and the extra track(s) for wideband color info.

I guess some stations still run Betacam, at least those that got camcorders based on CCDs. But most everyone has gone to one of the (many) digital formats now. And, interestingly, the gap between full broadcast and ProSumer video (Mini-DV with Canon XL-1, for instance) is much narrower than it ever was in the analog days.

The main reason for going to a full professional tape format is to record the video with less compression, so the video will hold up through multiple generations of post production. And, of course, the top-of-the line camera/recorder meant for Hi-Def feature production might justify twenty-five times the investment in a ProSumer unit.

As for the consumer formats with Hi-Fi soundtracks, both Beta and VHS used a wideband compandered FM signal; but Beta had the advantage that their higher video carrier frequency allowed the new audio signal to be multiplexed through the same heads and recorded on the same tracks. VHS had no such luck; they had to resort to an additional pair of heads having azimuth at +/- 45 degrees to the video heads, and recording their audio physically deeper in the magnetic layer than the video.

By the time of the HiFi machines, however, VHS had already won the format war, so the simpler and more reliable Beta HiFi version didn't much help the viability of its host format.

34 posted on 08/28/2002 4:56:02 AM PDT by Erasmus
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To: supercat
Are there any features of the Microchannel architecture which would have made it impossible to design a "compatibility" slot?

The only thing I can think of is the fact that it was invented by IBM and IBM doesn't think of things like that. :-)

35 posted on 08/28/2002 7:45:53 AM PDT by krb
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To: ElkGroveDan
Does this mean they are going to stop making 8-track tape players now too???

You beat me to it.

36 posted on 08/28/2002 11:15:26 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: babaloo999
What is it about certain things that attract the same people?
VWs
Apples and Macs
Bungholing
Batamax
Democrats
Sprouts
37 posted on 08/30/2002 10:03:02 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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