The reason why Pit Bulls "Snap", Sad Reality

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[Alylonee]

Please review this sight, all of you who say that pit bulls should be put down. Tell me please what you think should be done about the humans that treat their dogs like this? I was wondering if any of you could possibly understand now why some of these dogs snap? I am also posting other websites that I feel are relevant and might help to educate people on this growing problem.

MYTHS ABOUT THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER by Edward Hinkle

MYTH: Pit bulls bite more people than any other breed. FACT: It is hard to pin down, as accurate records by breed are seldom kept. Those records available show what a myth this is. Farmers Branch, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, has kept accurate records since 1980. During a 7 year period from 1980 through 1987, this is what was recorded. Total bites: 1,593. Pit bulls, 30 bites, or 1.89% of the total. Other studies tend to show the same results and because of so many mongrels that have similar features to the American Pit Bull Terrier, it seems reasonable to assume that the figures are actually much lower.

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers are born mean. FACT: In a letter to James Huffman of Columbus, Ohio, Alfons Estelt of the American Temperament Test Society, Inc., an international dog temperament test organization, wrote the following: "The American Pit Bull Terriers participating in our temperament evaluation have thus far shown a passing rate of 95%. The other 121 breeds of dogs in our tests showed the average passing rate of 77%. While the heredity factor is of measurable importance, these results show that a dog, even if used for dogfighting, is not pre-disposed as such, but is brought by his environment."

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers have 1600 P.S.I. in jaw pressure. FACT: Dr. 1. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of "pounds per square inch" can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Need more be said?

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws to the death. FACT: Again from Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

MYTH: All American Pit Bull Terriers are bad and should be banned. FACT: On July 17,1987 on ABC's "Good Morning America" program, Mr. Marc Paulhaus, S.E. regional director of the Humane Society of the United States stated: "Serious dog problems tend to be cyclical in nature."

[Alylonee]

Pit Bulls speak - we are good dogs

Little-known facts about Pit Bulls

Dispelling some myths about Pit Bulls

Pit Bull quotes

Pit Bulls speak - we are good dogs!

Most people, who are unfamiliar with the American Pit Bull Terrier, falsely believe that they are dangerous dogs. Unfortunately, Pit Bulls have a bad reputation because of some mean people who have abused their dogs and trained them to be aggressive. Pit Bulls are actually very stable, intelligent, and highly trainable. They are strong athletic dogs, and they require a guardian who is responsible and will give them plenty of exercise and training. They are very loving and loyal and make excellent animal companions.

Little-known facts about Pit Bulls:

Pit Bulls serve as therapy/service dogs. The Chako Rescue Association has Pit Bull therapy dogs in Texas, Utah and California. Helen Keller even had a Pit Bull as her canine companion and helper. Cheyenne and Dakota are a team of hard-working Search-and-Rescue Pit Bulls in Sacramento, California. They play an important role in their community by locating missing people in conjunction with the local Sheriff. In their off-duty hours, they do charity work as therapy dogs.

Petey, the faithful dog on the TV show, The Little Rascals, was a Pit Bull. He spent countless hours with children day after day and never hurt anyone. He was one of the most intelligent Hollywood dogs of all time.

There are quite a few celebrities who have Pit Bulls as members of their family including: Rosie Perez, The Crocodile Hunter, Judd Nelson, Usher, Alicia Silverstone, Cassandra Creech, Sinbad, John Stuart, Amy Jo Johnson, Linda Blair, Vin Diesel, and Bernadette Peters.

Pit Bulls are heroes! America's first war dog was a Pit Bull named Stubby. He earned several medals during World War I and was honored at the White House. The Ken-L-Ration dog hero of 1993 was a Pit Bull named Weela. She saved 30 people, 29 dogs, 13 horses and a cat during a flood in Southern California. A Pit Bull named Bogart saved a four-year-old child from drowning in a swimming pool in Florida. Dixie, the Pit Bull, was inducted into the Georgia Animal Hall of Fame after she saved some children from a Cottonmouth snake.

Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate!

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Dispelling some myths about Pit Bulls:

-Is it true that Pit Bulls can lock their jaw? The infamous locking jaw is a myth. The American Pit Bull Terrier and related breeds are physiologically no different from any other breed of dog. All dogs are from the same species and none have locking jaws. Dr. I Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of 'pounds per square inch' can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Furthermore, Dr. Brisbin states, "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

-Are Pit Bulls naturally aggressive towards humans? While many Pit Bulls do tend to be aggressive towards other DOGS (as are most terriers), the normal, well raised Pit Bull has NO human-aggressive tendencies! In fact, human-aggression was actually bred out of the breed. The majority of Pit Bulls are affectionate, intelligent, trainable dogs. In fact, the highest obedience trial record of all time is held by an American Pit Bull Terrier named Maddy!

-Can Pit Bulls "turn" on people? In fact, no breed of dog does. Dog aggression is nearly always preceded by some kind of warning, and there is always a reason behind the attack. However, many inexperienced owners do not recognize the dog's behavior as aggression, or refuse to acknowledge it as a warning sign. The only exception I can think of is Springer Rage, a rare and controversial neurological condition that manifests itself as a spontaneous attack, followed by confusion, and then a return to normal behavior. Pit Bulls are NOT prone to this condition. There are individual dogs of any breed that may be more aggressive to others.

Pit Bull quotes:

Pit bulls are famous, in circles of knowledgeable dog people, for the love and loyalty they bestow on anyone who shows them a smidgen of kindness. --Linda Wilson-Fuoco, journalist

In my opinion, Pit bulls are the least likely to be human aggressive. On the whole, you have to do a lot of work to make them aggressive to people. --Sue Frisch, Dessin Animal Shelter manager

Pit bulls are especially good at pleasing people since they are strong and smart, they learn quickly and they are very adaptable." -- Rob Mullin, dog trainer, owner, "K-9 Wizard & Co." Trumbell, Connecticut

By Sonnet Dashevskaya - Spindletop Pit Bull Refuge, Austin branch

Sources: The Chako Rescue Association for the American Pit Bull Terrier Debby Wolfinsohn's The Pit Bull Press Denna's Pit Bull Page J. Balsam's Friends Of Terriers Website The American Pit Bull Terrier Speaks... Good Dog! by Cline and Martindale

Courtesy of Sonnet Dashevskaya and Spindletop Pit Bull Refuge, Austin branch

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[Alylonee]

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[HairOfTheDog]

I was wondering if any of you could possibly understand now why some of these dogs snap? I am also posting other websites that I feel are relevant and might help to educate people on this growing problem.

I share your horror at what people have done to these animals, I only differ in believing that attempts to rehabilitate the breed is worth the risk.

We created this breed, and the worst among us twisted the natural instincts of dogs and honed the very traits other breeds were bred to diminish. They are broken. I would rather use my pity of the dogs to discourage the creation of more that will end just like them.

To me, it is like trying to sell a real gun as a safe toy for kids, as long as you don't put bullets in it. Taking the bullets out of it doesn't change its purpose, and failing to take guns seriously gets kids killed. If there weren't ten people out there continuing to breed aggressive dogs to fight for every two out there trying to breed "nice" pit bulls, at least people would know for sure what they are dealing with when they see one.

Because I do pity any creature subject to cruelty... and would indeed punish those who cause it, and risk myself to stop it. But I think it is only adding to the problem to promote them as anything other than that which they were created to be, because that is where the accidents happen.

[Alylonee]

There is only one thing at fault with what you are saying.

Pit Bulls were not made to be agressive to humans, quite the contrary actually. They were bred for many things, and the first of these things was not dog fighting. But when people did fight these dogs, they were bred to be non-agressive to humans. The owner needed to be able to control his dog in a fight. Any dog that bit the owner was put down immediately. They were bred to be friendly to children, and loyal human companions. Unfortunately, the breed is agressive to other animals. But so was my German Shepard, and my rottweiler.

These type of dogs are just simply not the type that you tie to a fence post in your back yard, or walk without a leash. They are working dogs, they should be exercised and treated the same way that you would treat any other large breed or medium breed dog. These dogs are also proven in police work, search and rescue, seeing eye, therapy and many other wonderful fields of work.

Since I own a Pit Bull, I also happen to know that many other people own them besides scum. They are shown, and trained for agility, and trained for police work.

IF WE BAN PITS, WHAT BREED WILL BE THE NEXT VICTIM OF ABUSE AND NEGLECT? ROTTIES? GERMAN SHEPARDS? DOBIES? Are we going to have to get rid of every large breed dog that can be agressive????? I am telling you, if any of the other breeds become the victim of abuse besides pits, we will have a lot bigger problem on our hands than the few killings pit bulls have committed to humans. I work with these dogs, I know for a fact that pits are less vicious to people than every other large breed dog. That is a FACT.

[HairOfTheDog]

Pit Bulls were not made to be agressive to humans, quite the contrary actually. They were bred for many things, and the first of these things was not dog fighting. But when people did fight these dogs, they were bred to be non-agressive to humans. The owner needed to be able to control his dog in a fight. Any dog that bit the owner was put down immediately.

We aren't that good. We don't have the ability to breed for a particular, directed, form of aggression. The dogs are bred to be aggressive, and conditioned to be subservient to people. The ones that were uncontrollable were put down immediately because they have no value if they can't be handled, not because they were a flaw breeders wanted to extinguish. This is politically correct doublespeak.

They are not working dogs in a traditional sense. They were not bred to work closely with people in complex tasks. Brains and stability were not important, only brawn and dominance. There is a level of sharpness to many of the police and working breeds, but stability was paramount and aggression intolerable. Police work is not aggression as much as it is herding instinct that was honed. A good police dog is not biting because he is frightened, angry, or after blood... but rather stopping a moving target that his master wants stopped. Those who are too sharp, or turn that training to blood lust do not make it. A German Shepherd is very definately honed to work very closely for man, not himself. A pit bull's only important skill is the ability kill rather than be killed. Very different talent.

I will guard the slippery slope but I won't get on it. Individual dogs can be dangerous in any breed. This breed was created to be dangerous.

[Alylonee]

http://www.lucydog.com/taylor.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/oldtime.html http://www.cpcn.com/articles/031397/article020.shtml http://www.pitbulls.com/USMCpitbull.html http://www.pitbulls.com/PBR/dogstory.htm http://www.endangeredbreedsassociation.org/ http://www.internationalstafford.com/ http://www.thedognet.net/dogsinthenews/issues/0103/articles/010322a.htm http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/ http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/moss.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/setfire.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/wilsonart.html http://www.pitbulls.com/stuff/press.html Here is some more information that I found on the web, quotes from different people who own the breed: "Fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to over 30 different dog breeds yet all the media can talk about are Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Dobermans, or Akitas. Size alone is not an accurate indicator of which dogs are capable of killing and which dogs are not. In October of 2000, a baby was killed by a four pound family Pomeranian dog in California. In February of 2002, a Jack Russell Terrier mauled a 6 week old baby in Tennessee. For an entire category of bites, there is no reporting at all. This is for so called provoked bites. Bites that occur at veterinarian offices, dog groomers, and boarding kennels in many counties are automatically declared to be provoked bites. Those that know dog bite statistics from the inside out are those that work with animals for a living. I recently polled a number of animal shelter workers and this is what they said about dog bites. Most of the bites have been by small unfriendly Terrier type dogs and Cocker Spaniels. Occasionally they have seen a larger dog on a bite case but the vast majority of the bites were from small to medium sized dogs. The dog groomers I spoke to said most of the bites they see are from Schnauzers, Cocker Spaniels, Westies, Scotties, and Dachshunds. Next I polled a number of veterinarians. One veterinarian said to me, "Give me a so-called vicious Pit Bull over a Cocker Spaniel, Dachshund, or even a Lab any day!! These are the breeds I have the most problem with." Another vet concurred saying that in years of working at a veterinarian clinic she never once encountered a single vicious Pit bull yet had problems all the time with Cocker Spaniels and Yorkshire Terriers." The problem surrounding American Pit Bull Terrier's is as much mis-information as it is media sensationalism. My mother was bit by my sister's Black Lab (requiring several stitches to her arm) All the doctor wanted to know was, "is it a Pit Bull?" I witnessed a dog attack outside the office building where I work. An Akita and a Golden Retriever attacked a woman. It was in the parking lot of a local television station. It was on the news for about 3 hours that night. Then the story was dropped, it was never run by any local Newspapers. Not Pit Bulls...not news worthy. By the way the woman was hospitalized for a week. If a person gets shot by a .22 caliber hand gun, does the doctor say that was only a .22...that's not a gunshot wound. NO... he's is required by law to report ALL gunshot wounds. Until all dog bites are required to be reported, until only then can any credence be given to statistics that claim Pit Bull's bite more than other breeds. 90% of all dog bites are family pets and they go unreported. Adolph Hitler would have loved the media campaign against Pit Bulls ... it's called Genocidal Propaganda. He used it quite effectively against the Jewish peoples of Europe in the 1930's. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. The problem stems from punk's who hear nonsense in the News about the dogs and go out and get one because they think it's macho. They don't learn about the breed, they train and handle their dogs incorrectly and the dog's get in trouble because of it. I've met people at dog shows, whose families have bred American Pit Bull Terrier's for over 100 years...and not one of their friends or family have ever been bit by a Pit Bull. And for the record 50,000 people a year get killed in car accidents in America...400,000 people a year die from smoking cigarettes. More people have been killed this year from mosquito bites than have died from dog bites. Get the picture. If you own a Pit Bull, read the books authored by Richard F. Stratton, keeps your dogs properly restrained (chained, leashed or in your house). I own 2 and have never had a problem. Skydog ADBA registered American Pit Bull Terrier show dog Layla (resident couch potato) Thank You Kevin

[HairOfTheDog]

That post is unreadable, but I am gathering it says all dogs can bite. I know that.

[Alylonee]

Sorry, I messed up in transferring it to the site, my bad.


Have you ever owned a Pit Bull? German Shepherd?

[HairOfTheDog]

Have not owned either.

I have an ecclectic mix of dogs that are pictured on my profile page.

When I was showing my labrador, I trained with a trainer who bred German Shepherds, and trains and sells police and Schutzhund dogs. He is a world class competitor in Schutzhund, and the best dog handler I have ever seen. His shepherds are magnificent, and I hope to own one some day, if I could justify the price.

My pit bull experience is not only TV... I had a friend who had a pit bull she loved. Seemed nice, but having my own male dog, and not wanting to take chances, I never let our dogs play together.

Her dog had run of her farm, and her son adored and mauled and tugged on him the way children will. It made me nervous, but not her. Then one day when it was about two years old it ripped the throat out of a goat it was raised with. She kept it in a large pen after that, but it escaped and killed two neighbor dogs over the period of a couple hard weeks, and she had it put down because she could no longer trust it.

Now, to be fair, any breed can have individuals who do that same thing. I know that. But it goes into the experience file with the others.

My point is that all dog people tell you to seriously consider the purpose and function the breed is intended for when selecting a pet. Border Collie breeders are loathe to sell dogs to people who don't intend to work them hard in a job, any job, because the dogs have a temperment that demands it.

Except pit bull people. They want us to ignore the breed's intended job. Then they will say, well, as long as you do everything right, and socialize it properly you shouldn't have trouble. Well, they are taking a dog that has a tough temper and conditioning him out of it. Yes, you can nurture a pit bull and have it turn out fine. You have to do a lot right to have a pit bull not "turn on" at two years old. I would have to do an awful lot wrong to turn a labrador into a killer. In both instances I would be trying to overcome their basic nature.

So I will never agree that it is a pit bull is anyone's most suitable pet... Why should I? There are hundreds of other breeds of dogs that have more points on their side for any purpose. There are better pet-dogs, show-dogs, and guard-dogs. You may be able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but why not just start with silk?

[HairOfTheDog]

Correction: So I will never agree that it is a pit bull is anyone's most suitable pet... Why should I?

[Alylonee]

http://www.pitbulls.com/PBR/dogstory.htm

Please read this story. This is the kind of loyal love and companionship that myself and many others that have owned Pit Bulls have experienced. This is the reason we feel so stronly for this breed, and the reason we would fight and defend this breed to our death. No other story captures better what my dog, and many other Pit Bulls are like. If they weren't so loyal and wonderful with humans, and didn't love people so much, why are there so many stories like this one?

My dog is like this, he follows me everywhere. He likes to sit in my lap and play with my kittens. Multiple nights I have been jolted out of my sleep to my dog howling and whining while my kittens attack his face and tail.

Pit Bulls are used in many ways, including but not limited to; Search and Rescue, Police Dogs, Drug sniffing, Bomb detecting, Showing and agility, and Therapy.

They have a drive to love humans almost more than any other breed, as proved in temperment testing done worldwide that showed Pit Bull type dogs passed the temperment test in the 89-90% while Golden Retreivers and other "non-vicious" dogs, passed at 79-81%.

What facts do you base your opinions that Pit Bulls were only bred for brawn and not brain? Where do you get you information, just out of curiosity? What kind of research have you done on this breed? I would be very interested to know what causes you to have such strong views and opinions on this subject, and such a strong dislike for the breed.

[Alylonee]

Well, in my opinion my pit bull is silk!!!!

And further more, can you tell me another type of dog that I can use in weight pulling? That is a very fun sport, my dog loves it and I don't know of any other breed that is quite as good at it.

You don't have to like pit bulls or own one for that matter, why do I care??? It is you right to own whatever breed you choose to own. I don't think everyone should own a Pit Bull, only those people who want a devoted exercise partner, amongst many other wonderful qualities the breed posesess. People that have researched the breed, and decided for sure that they want one.

What I do care about is when people like you try to make my favorite breed of dog illegal to own, therefore infringing on my right to own one. I don't appreciate people judging the breed and hating it, due to media hype. And you shouldn't trust your dog around a pit bull. They are agressive to other animals, most of the time. Just not humans. My German Shepherd however, like I said before, is way more agressive to other dogs than my pit bull is. I think it is a common trait of the Alpha-dog!

Please, all I ask is that you and others do not try to take away my right to own a Pit Bull. This is the breed that I love for many wonderful reasons, and I strongly feel that I have more proof and information backing up my belief that these dogs are productive members of society, than you have to eliminate an entire breed of dogs. I am tired of everyone's stereotypes and discrimination.

Also, a lot of you say that you are conservative, but what is conservative about making new laws and breed restrictions?

[Alylonee]

To anyone who will look or listen!!! http://www.lucydog.com/taylor.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/oldtime.html http://www.cpcn.com/articles/031397/article020.shtml http://www.pitbulls.com/USMCpitbull.html http://www.pitbulls.com/PBR/dogstory.htm http://www.endangeredbreedsassociation.org/ http://www.internationalstafford.com/ http://www.thedognet.net/dogsinthenews/issues/0103/articles/010322a.htm http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/ http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/moss.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/setfire.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/wilsonart.html http://www.pitbulls.com/stuff/press.html For whatever reason, these web sites are not showing as direct links, and aren't letting me put spaces in between everything, but I'm sure you can copy and paste if you would like view the web pages.

[HairOfTheDog]

People use a lot of breeds for weight pulling as a sport, Bernese Mountain Dogs most notably.

I am ambivalent about any legislative action to legislate them, my goal is only to help make them unpopular as a pet for people who don't know better. I think they are not worth the inherent risk, and that is a surprising view for me to have. I am a bigger animal lover than anyone else I know.

And I say all this knowing it causes you pain, because you love your dog. I feel for you... I really do. We all love our dogs. Your story is personal and emotional because of that love. Mine is not. Objectively, there isn't anything more special your pit bull than any other dog, and so if you were starting from scratch, you could have chosen anything else and gotten the devotion you have.

And, you have gotten a little lucky, and a little unlucky on this thread. There are people on both sides who aren't on it. Just us.

[HairOfTheDog]

They aren't showing up as links because you included some html in your post. For the auto-detect to work, you have to not use any html in your post at all.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/oldtime.html http://www.cpcn.com/articles/031397/article020.shtml http://www.pitbulls.com/USMCpitbull.html http://www.pitbulls.com/PBR/dogstory.htm http://www.endangeredbreedsassociation.org/ http://www.internationalstafford.com/ http://www.thedognet.net/dogsinthenews/issues/0103/articles/010322a.htm http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/ http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/moss.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/setfire.html http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/wilsonart.html http://www.pitbulls.com/stuff/press.html

[Alylonee]

I know that we are the only ones on this thread, but the whole reason I put this information here in the first place, is that I've seen all the other Pit Bull bashing threads, that make statements such as "only white trash owns pit bulls", "kill all pit bulls" and on and on. Funny how every one jumps on a thread that bashes pit's and talks about them killing someone.

If you wanted a hunting dog, would you choose your lab or would you settle for a German Shepherd? That's ridiculous. Pit Bulls out-pull any breed and currently hold the record for the most weight pulled.

I think you are helping to make a great breed of dogs, owned by more losers and trash, instead of good, caring people that would be able to give them a good home and family.

My first encounter with a Pit Bull was at my friends house, she owned a Pit and Taco Bell dog! When I walked in her door I saw a huge 90lb Pit rushing me. Suddenly, I was knocked to the floor and bathed with a big sloppy wet tongue. I've never seen a dog lick that fast in my entire life! On the other hand, the taco bell dog, bit me a total of 5 times when I was there, and consistently pushed the Pit around.

Moral of my story is that a lot of dogs can be vicious, but all can make loving and wonderful companions if given the right home, and good people, and a freaking chance for goodness sake. ANY DOG! I do not have a favorite, my heart only goes out to those wonderful, beautiful animals who have been tortured and abused. And NO dog has been the VICTIM of abuse more so than the Pit Bull. And that is a fact.

[Alylonee]

Thank You for fixing it :)

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't appreciate people judging the breed and hating it, due to media hype. And you shouldn't trust your dog around a pit bull. They are agressive to other animals, most of the time.

One more point: Which sentence is true? That the image the media paints is unfair? - or that pit bulls are actually aggressive?

How many people want a dog that is likely to be an instant menace to other animals if he is loose? How many people live in a vacuum where they never want to be able to take the dog anywhere where it could have contact with another animal? How many people never have one thing go wrong where the dog gets away in the lifetime of a dog? I'm not that good. My male has even gotten in minor scrapes with other males in his life. He is a labrador with only half his heart in the fight though. That made the difference.

[HairOfTheDog]

NO dog has been the VICTIM of abuse more so than the Pit Bull. And that is a fact.

That we can agree on. And it is to our shame.

I think you are helping to make a great breed of dogs, owned by more losers and trash, instead of good, caring people that would be able to give them a good home and family.

I think I know what you are saying here. The trouble is you are outnumbered by the losers and trash, and it is silly to not admit that they are not contributing more to the gene pool than the good people are. You are outnumbered by a power of 10. So well-meaning as you are, you are acting as if your intentions change the reality. They don't. If you wanted to help individual pit bulls, you could rescue them, spay/neuter them, and advocate against their further breeding.

[HairOfTheDog]

Really bad sentence.... correcting last paragraph from above.

"I think I know what you are saying here. The trouble is you are outnumbered by the losers and trash, and it is silly to not admit that they ARE contributing more to the gene pool than the good people are. You are outnumbered by a power of 10. So well-meaning as you are, you are acting as if your intentions change the reality. They don't. If you wanted to help individual pit bulls, you could rescue them, spay/neuter them, and advocate against their further breeding.