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[ Daily Tolkien / Lord Of The Rings ] Tolkien and Chivalry
Chivalry Today ^
| December 6, 2002
| Scott Farrell
Posted on 12/23/2002 5:01:00 AM PST by JameRetief
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Your Daily Tolkien Ping!
Coming from many sources, these articles cover many aspects of Tolkien and his literary works. If anyone would like for me to ping them directly when I post articles such as this let me know. Enjoy!
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posted on
12/23/2002 5:08:35 AM PST
by
ecurbh
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Next Monday I will be introducing the "Tolkien Virgin" articles. Every Monday and every Friday there will be an article written from the point of view of someone (Mark-Edmond) who has never read any of the Tolkien books.
I will be posting his articles from the beginning which will allow everyone a chance to read along if they so choose. He chose to read The Silmarillion first followed by The Hobbit and finally Lord Of The Rings. By posting his articles twice a week, this pace will finish with Return Of The King at about the same time that the final movie is released next year.
His pace is approximately 1 or 2 chapters per article and if you would like to reread the books (or even read for the first time if you are also a Tolkien Virgin) this would be a great way to do so. These running commentary threads could be great for discussions on the various chapters and could be a great place for people to ask questions about anything they are curious about.
The pacing will allow you the weekends to read the chapter or two being discussed on Monday, and the rest of the week for the chapter or two discussed on Friday.
Next Monday, we will begin The Silmarillion, starting with The Ainulindalë. This will give everyone a week to prepare and also give everyone the time to spend with their families for the Holidays. I will also post a reminder at the end of this week.
To: JameRetief
"Next Monday, we will begin The Silmarillion, starting with The Ainulindalë. This will give everyone a week to prepare"(raising my hand) Thank you, Professor. See you at the start of next term!
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I am a big fan of Chivalry. Having spent a lot of time in the Middle East--I can say that the concept of chivalry never applied there--and the West is the better for it.
Also, after seeing this movie--I admit that this woman could steal the heart of any man.
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posted on
12/23/2002 8:59:00 AM PST
by
SkyPilot
To: SkyPilot
She is a cutie pie isn't she?
To: SkyPilot
Also, after seeing this movie--I admit that this woman could steal the heart of any man.
I second that motion. If I could tell Tolkien one thing to change about LOTR, is for Aragorn to ditch the elf girl for the REAL woman Eowyn. ;-)
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posted on
12/23/2002 9:25:00 AM PST
by
Pyro7480
To: Pyro7480; HairOfTheDog
After seeing the movie and driving home, I had fun teasing my daughters. They both love Liv Tyler, and recognize her from the movie
Amaragedon. I kept saying Aragorn needed to "dump" her and chase "the blonde girl."
Their response?
"Daaaaaaaaaaddddyyyy! The elf-girl saw Aragorn first!"
I can't get out of my head what one critic said of Tyler:
"She looks like she is trapped in an Australian douche commercial."
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posted on
12/23/2002 9:47:08 AM PST
by
SkyPilot
To: SkyPilot
She is a little breathless! But beautiful. And Aragorn likes her!
Although she may be better-suited for Legolas. Liv and Orlando Bloom did pal around quite a bit together down there.
To: HairOfTheDog
Liv and Orlando Bloom did pal around quite a bit together down there. Whoa! Give us the details!
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posted on
12/23/2002 10:20:09 AM PST
by
SkyPilot
To: SkyPilot
I don't have any details, and details would be unbecoming!
I am taking that from the interviews on the supplemental CDs from the Extended FoTR DVD. She didn't want to drive, and he lived near her, so he would pick her up! Wherever she wanted to go.
And I just noticed that he was a man sitting near a woman he wouldn't mind being closer to. ;~D
To: HairOfTheDog
Let's not confuse the real life Liv Tyler with the character Arwen as portrayed by her in the movies. Arwen isn't "breathless" or ditzy. Liv is.
To: Pyro7480
There are a lot of reasons why Aragorn "goes for" Arwen and not Eowyn, as are better explained in the books. Anyway, I don't know if you have read ROTK or not, but Eowyn will meet the right guy soon enough.
To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Well, true. I did find Arwen to be breathless on screen, but endearing. Now Liv, is a ditz... but perhaps also endearing. We don't all have to be rocket scientists! ;~D
To: HairOfTheDog
I don't think I'd mind getting to know Liv better in person. :-)
To: JameRetief; HairOfTheDog
Speaking of Beowulf, from the introduction by Seamus Heaney to his own 1999 translation of Beowulf:
"However, when it comes to understanding Beowulf as a work of literature, there is one publication that stands out. In 1936, the Oxford scholar and teacher J.R.R. Tolkien published an epoch-making paper entitled "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics" which took for granted the poem's integrity and distinction as a work of art and proceeded to show in what this integrity and distinction inhered. He assumed that the poet had felt his way through the inherited material - the fabulous elements and the traditional accounts of an heroic past - and by a combination of creative intuition and conscious structuring had arrived at a unity of effect and a balanced order. He assumed, in other words, that the Beowulf poet was an imaginative writer rather than some kind of back-formation derived from nineteenth-century folklore and philology. Tolkien's brilliant literary treatment changed the way the poem was valued and initiated a new era - and new terms - of appreciation"
I apologise if you've had this inflicted on you before.
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posted on
12/23/2002 12:46:11 PM PST
by
Argh
To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Nope, I haven't read ROTK yet. I read the Hobbit back in high school, but didn't read any of LOTR until the movie came out. I finished FOTR minutes before I saw the movie. Since I had a rough last semester in college, I only got about half way through TTT before I saw the movie (which I thought was awesome). I have more free time now, so hopefully, I will have all three read before next December.
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posted on
12/23/2002 4:55:29 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
To: Pyro7480
Well, that's okay then; the movie only gets half way through TTT as well! :-)
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