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Precognition

Posted on 03/15/2003 11:40:21 PM PST by Mother Abigail



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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: atypicalpneumonia; cdc; esp; henryniman; sars; shouldaseenitcoming; superflu; who
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To: Mother Abigail; Cindy; JustPiper; Calpernia; Myrddin; Old Sarge; Letitring; Revel; thecabal; ...
MA, Thank you for the ebola synopsis...considering the "caves of darkness" info translated from the jihadi postings this is germane to the current threat matrix.

Folks please read the new post, post # 57 on this thread.
61 posted on 04/27/2004 6:35:30 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Mother Abigail
Thanks for the update Mother Abigail, good to see you back. I've watched this one from the very beginning.......
62 posted on 04/27/2004 8:45:05 AM PDT by united1000 (Life is Tough. It's tougher when you're stupid......John Wayne)
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To: Domestic Church
Interesting. Thanks for the ping.
63 posted on 04/28/2004 9:54:35 AM PDT by Letitring
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To: Marie; cherry; united1000; keri; maestro; riri; Black Agnes; vetvetdoug; CathyRyan; per loin; ...
Bats....

Consensus is growing among professionals.

More details after I unpack and try to rescue my poor ferns.


MA
64 posted on 09/03/2005 6:44:01 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: Mother Abigail
>the sole measure that we can take in predicting and preventing an Ebola outbreak in humans is

That's not really true.
The best thing we all can do --
as a culture and

individuals --
is keep our immune system
strong by avoiding

doing drugs for fun,
chronic exhaustion and foods
full of chemicals.

If we stay healthy,
it might not matter what bugs
now and then pop up.

65 posted on 09/03/2005 7:16:24 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Mother Abigail

Prcognition?

Dèjá Vu!


66 posted on 09/03/2005 8:41:34 AM PDT by null and void (It's all like watching a train wreck, in slow motion, from the front of the train.)
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To: Marie; cherry; united1000; keri; maestro; riri; Black Agnes; vetvetdoug; CathyRyan; per loin; ...

 
Gene-swapping Ebola is a slippery target

Scientists have genetically sequenced Ebola viruses from gorillas and chimpanzees for the first time and found the virus to be more varied than previously thought.

Unexpectedly, they have also discovered that different strains of the virus can swap genes - a find that could make producing a vaccine much more difficult.

The Ebola virus causes fever and haemorrhage and kills up to 90% of people who catch it. It has spread cross Africa since 1976, infecting humans and apes sporadically and also hiding in bats.

An outbreak currently underway in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is so far thought to have infected 76 people. Ebola has also killed thousands of apes and has caused the lowland gorilla to be classed as endangered.

The genetic code for human versions of the viruses taken from humans has been sequenced before.

But, as sick animals are so difficult to find in the wild, and dead ones decompose quickly, until now no one has sequenced the virus from an ape.

Distributed virus

Eric Leroy and colleagues at the International Centre for Medical Research in Franceville, Gabon, managed to retrieve all or part of the Ebola virus from the remains of six gorillas and one chimpanzee. The viral genes were found to be similar to each other and to viruses from human victims in the same region.

But when all the sequences were analysed and compared, they clustered in two groups that, according to a model of how fast such viruses evolve, diverged from each other in 1976.

Furthermore, when all available samples - from both humans and apes - were analysed together, those collected after 1996 were found to be more similar to each other than to those collected (from humans alone) before 1996.

Leroy believes this shows that the virus is already distributed across central Africa and something else must be responsible for the current wave of outbreaks.
Leroy says the genetic differences “add to evidence for the pre-existing distribution of the virus.”

Rare recombination

The results may not resolve the rivalry between competing theories about how Ebola spreads. Peter Walsh of the Max Planck Institute for Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, does not believe the virus is already distributed, and says different forms of it may simply be spreading together. “We have too few samples to know,” he says.

But both experts agree that the real surprise is that recent samples from humans show some genes from one cluster and some from another.

Such recombination is rare in RNA viruses and has never been seen before in filoviruses such as Ebola.

This recombination also means that a much wider range of genetic variants may emerge, making it harder to create an effective vaccine, says Walsh.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12750-geneswapping-ebola-is-a-slippery-target.html


This is very bad news.

MA


67 posted on 10/09/2007 5:26:06 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: Mother Abigail
This is very bad news.

Gene splicing Ebola? They've got to be bat-$hit crazy!

68 posted on 10/09/2007 6:02:36 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I will not try to BS xsmommy. I will not try to BS xsmommy. I will not try to BS xsmommy.)
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To: Mother Abigail

Thank you for the post, and the ping MA.


69 posted on 10/09/2007 6:28:06 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Joe,

It is the virus that is swapping genes.

The two strains appear to be mixing genes among primate populations.

This recombinant behavior (Dr. Niman please pick up the white courtesy phone) is a worst case scenario.

We need a stable genome to target.

When the target is constantly shifting many bad things can happen. including variations that require less contact for infection.

MA


70 posted on 10/09/2007 6:36:46 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: TaxRelief

I think your favorite Dr. is about to be back in the news again.

However, to his credit he has been predicting this for a long time.

MA


71 posted on 10/09/2007 6:42:04 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: Mother Abigail
I'm sorry...

Em oh oh en spells...

5.56mm

72 posted on 10/09/2007 6:58:58 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Mother Abigail

Love the cheery news on a day like today...thanks.


73 posted on 10/09/2007 7:17:30 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

One is happy to serve...


74 posted on 10/09/2007 7:29:05 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: vetvetdoug

Doug,

What concerns me most is that we might begin to see an infection pattern with Ebola that is now well documented in Marburg outbreaks.

1. We know that human infection with Ebola comes about through the intermediary of infected great ape carcasses.

2. The viral transmission to primates occurs in the dry season, a period when food resources become increasingly scarce. The great apes then come into competition with bat species for fruit supplies when foraging and can be infected notably by blood or by placental fluid that escapes when bats give birth. (See my post #57 from 2004)

3. The mode of contamination by Marburg virus appears to be different, however. It does not appear to need any intermediary to be pathogenic for humans, as foreseen from the data on Marburg epidemic outbreaks.

In one outbreak, which raged in the north-east of DRC in 2000, most people infected worked in a goldmine, which turned out to be the refuge for a large colony of Egyptian rousettes. During the second epidemic, in Angola, the first victims were children who had gathered fruit from trees where a large population of this species of fruit bat roosted.

4. R. aegyptiacus - Carries both antibodies and viral RNA fragments - strongly suggesting that this bat species is a non-symptom developing carrier of the Marburg virus - (i.e.) the natural reservoir.

If Ebola were to recombine in a way that gave it any of the infection abilities of its cousin Marburg - well.....

Not as far fetched as once it seemed.

MA


75 posted on 10/09/2007 7:58:39 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: Mother Abigail
Very good summary. Had not previously heard that a bat species was a potential reservoir of Marburg.
76 posted on 10/09/2007 9:14:52 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Mother Abigail
When the target is constantly shifting many bad things can happen. including variations that require less contact for infection.

Aw, Mom! It's no more difficult than finding a vaccine for the common cold...

77 posted on 10/09/2007 9:37:17 AM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz can't foresee even the clearest consequences to their actions...)
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To: Mother Abigail

Thank you for the ping, MA.


78 posted on 10/09/2007 10:26:12 AM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: F15Eagle; Esther Ruth; Star Traveler; cyclotic; dripp

This post’s interesting (the thread’s quite interesting too).


79 posted on 10/09/2007 1:36:48 PM PDT by raygun (There's no real cause for concern; you're never more than 6 feet away from some kind of spider.)
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To: raygun

Well, what is *most fascinating* to me, is to see “Mother Abigail” (whoever that is...) responding in post #67, to a 3-1/2 year old comment, post #57, saying (a good 3.5 years later) — “This is very bad news.”

Now, that is the most fascinating part of this whole thread... LOL!


80 posted on 10/09/2007 2:14:07 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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