Future Democrat Chairmen Voting Against Gerry Studds' Censure

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[GOPFlack]

July 20, 1983, roll call vote 259, House of Representatives, Motion to Censure Congressman Gerry Studds (D-MA) -

Following future Dem House Committee Chairs voting "no" -

Conyers, Frank, Lantos, Miller, Obey, Rahall, and Waxman.

Leadership voting "no"

Hoyer

Chair of DSCC, then House member, Schumer "no"

Voted instead for a watered down reprimand.

[eyespysomething]

They voted against increasing the punishment from a reprimand to a censure (a reprimand does not even require the "bad guy" to be present for the reprimand, while a censure requires them to be in 'the well' and rebuked and humiliated)

When it came down to it, the 3 in my post voted against the censure altogether.

So the original post is voting against censure as a more severe punishment, mine was voting against the censure they agreed to pursue as a punishment.

I think that's right.

[jveritas]

Excellent find. Send to our talk radio guys, it is great and useful information.

[Welike ike]

No, he said Schumer and others voted against Censure. The rest of the House voted to censure Stubbs and it passed. but Schumer and some other DEM sleaze voted against it.

[GOPFlack]

vote 259 - Gingrich motion for censure as opposed to committee resolution for reprimand. Passed, with 87 nays which included those listed above.

[edsheppa]

Somehow I think "they voted for censure but would have preferred a reprimand" isn't quite the damning indictment GOPFlack was trying for.

[rahbert]

He's a cook!

[GOPFlack]

They voted to kill the censure resolution, which was the key vote. The underlying bill was a reprimand reported by the Ethics Committee. It was amended with censure by Gingrich on a contested vote. Everyone then rolled over on final passage after Gingrich won that key vote.

[edsheppa]

That kind of misinformation makes our side look bad. Assuming the other poster is right about the final vote, it is basically a lie to claim they opposed censure when they voted for it in the end.

Now maybe you can make some hay out of the fact that they preferred a reprimand to censure, but I doubt it.

[GOPFlack]

I have no idea how that is disinformation. They flat voted against it. Bills pass almost all the time with near unanimity on final passage but the key votes are in the amendment.

For example, in the defense bill, if someone votes to cancel missile defense, but loses the vote, and then votes for final passage on the overall bill that has missile defense in it, does that mean they supported missile defense? Hardly.

[Welike ike]

Ed, maybe you are right. I think many Conservative bloggers and posters are just so frustrated with the lack of fighting back by the GOP right now. If you cannot nail a easy target like San Francisco Socialist Pelosi, who can you target?

[edsheppa]

I have no idea how that is disinformation.

I know. That blindness is one of the least attractive traits among you 'bots.

[edsheppa]

many Conservative bloggers and posters are just so frustrated with the lack of fighting back by the GOP right now

You've got that right. But it's also more than that. It's the lack of foresight too. What school child hasn't heard that where there's smoke there's fire? But I guess that aphorism is unknown to the Congressional R leadership.

[Radix]

I was once in Studds district, for years actually.

During election time, someone(s) took a can of red spray paint and did the o slash circle thing on what seemed like every single Studds sign in the district.

I enjoyed that a lot, but the fact is, that most of my neighbors were voting for that POS.

I will never understand that phenomenon.

Studds finally resigned, or whatever, but for reasons incomprehensible to me, was never defeated in an election after he was first elected to congress.

[Michael.SF.]

what prompted that comment to me? No one care about what? and get over what?

[Marysecretary]

Democrats feel no shame because they have no conscience. Moral values aren't very important to them, I guess. What hypocrites.

[zip]

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