Bush to Seek Immigrant Benefit Protection

Washington Post ^ | January 4, 2004 | Mike Allen

[Ian McGreggor]

CRAWFORD, Tex., Jan. 3 -- President Bush will propose protections for the Social Security taxes paid by the workers who would come into the country under massive changes to immigration laws he plans to announce on Wednesday, Republican officials said Saturday.

Bush's plan would make it possible for such workers from Mexico and perhaps other countries to collect retirement benefits without being penalized by their home countries for the years they spent working in the United States, the officials said.

Officials began releasing details of Bush's plan shortly before Christmas and provided new details over the weekend. The officials said Bush's plan will contain a new system to help workers who want to enter from Mexico or other countries if they have jobs waiting for them. It also includes a mechanism for some undocumented residents to continue working in the United States and get on a path to legal status.

[JustPiper]

Polyglot poverty importation

Awesome verbage!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "What would happen to an American [for using bogus SSN info and documents]? Are there rewards for felony document fraud or do we just get punished for this crime?"

You know that's a great point. It reminds me that there could very well be a "cascade" of broken laws. There are the bogus documents themselves, what about perjury committed while filing out the various employment and commercial forms. Hmmm.

Naturally the ILLEGALS would have to be given immunity from prosecution for all broken laws.

Both Parties have gone nuts.

We need new political parties.

[Conservative_Nationalist]

We must do everything we can to stop this and things like this. If Bush goes ahead with this or anything similar I will definitely not vote for him. We better put as much pressure on these politicians as possible while showing full support for guys like Tancredo. Illegal immigration is ruining our country and I will never vote for someone who supports it in any way at all.

[AmericaUnited]

I voted for Bush in '00, but I can guarantee you it won't happen again.

WHAT A PATHETIC, JOHNNY-ONE-NOTE LOSER!

[MeekOneGOP]

bttt ...

[Steve Eisenberg]

Petition: http://www.StopImmigrationNow.org

This is where we go overboard and hurt our own cause. The goal is not to stop all immigration, which would result in too few young people paying taxes for too many retirees, as is about to happen in Japan and much of Europe. Instead we want to send home illegals while making sure the existing legal immigration quotas are filled by people who have a history of hard work and clean criminal records in their home countries. And no second class citizens AKA guest workers! But saying "stop immigration now," even just in a web site name, makes us seem like unreasonable hotheads and is going to backfire.

[hoosierham]

Coward DEAN is a great strategy by the Democrats; he gives President Bush perfect political cover to propose and do the Democrats; socialist agenda. Anyone criticizing Bush is jumped on with "do you want Dean and the Democrats instead?"

With Bush signing "campaign finance reform, promise to sign Brady renewal, and pandering to illegals; the First and Second Amendments along with the very concept of citizen are being battered into nothing.

[superloser]

So, you believe in rewarding criminal behavior?

Ooookie. Got it.

[Zipporah]

Until the administration takes seriously the issue re open borders, Homeland Security is basically.......

[Ian McGreggor]

"This is where we go overboard and hurt our own cause. The goal is not to stop all immigration, which would result in too few young people paying taxes for too many retirees, as is about to happen in Japan and much of Europe. Instead we want to send home illegals while making sure the existing legal immigration quotas are filled...."

Steve, nobody is suggesting stopping all immigration... If you look at the petition, you will find that there are options you can select.. My concern is not with all immigration, it is with 'illegal' immigration and what Bush is proposing to do with them.

Bush should be concerend about the 5-6 million Americans who are out of work instead of worrying about illegals.

[Ian McGreggor]

I voted for Bush in '00, but I can guarantee you it won't happen again.

WHAT A PATHETIC, JOHNNY-ONE-NOTE LOSER!

While Bush is selling the U.S. out to Mexico you're sitting in here calling people losers?? .... Maybe you better wake up and smell the coffee, AmericaUnited, before it's too late.

[Cultural Jihad]

Immigration without a visa is, under the vast majority of cases, a misdemeanor offense. Hence the likening of "illegals" to those who jaywalk, speed on the road, fail to wear their seat belts, or park illegally. According to the Know-Nothing definition, all who do so are "illegals."

[dagnabbit]

I understand that with Wednesday's amnesty announcement, Bush is seeking to recreate the dramatic effect of his carrier landing.

[Sabertooth]

I never said it was, I usually avoid these threads because of the irrational posters who resort to name calling and bashing Mexicans, so I haven't followed your posts on this matter.

Why do you equate bashing Illegals with bashing Mexicans?

But if my conversations with you on other matters are an example of your contributions to this issue, I'm quite sure you and I think much alike on the problem of illegal immigration.

Then I suggest you pay more attention to these threads, as I think you've mischaracterized them. I also think you've misunderstood the Bush Administration's intentions regarding Illegals.

My problem with these threads is that they are based on speculation from primarily liberal journalists at first, then afterwords by some concerned conservative journalists reacting to what the Liberals speculate will be in a proposal that quotes no one in the Bush Administration.

How many more Tom Ridge links do you need?

How many freight-train loopholes in the President's own comments do you need to see?

Sure we can send faxes to the White House and Send emails to our elected Representatives, voicing our concerns, but to condemn this administration or anyone else based on the vague claims made by liberals at the NYT's or some other liberal rag, is playing right into their hands

No, complacency and blind faith are the dangers.

Let me ask you a few questions: how do you define Bush-bashing?

Is a criticism of this President "Bush-bashing," if it's true?

After the President signed the McCain-Feingold CFR, there were a number of contentious threads. Many of FR's Bush-loyslists put forth the proposition that this was brilliant stategery, that he'd taken the Democrats issue away, that the SCOTUS would throw it out anyway.

I was one who said it was a blunder, that there was no guarantee that the SCOTUS would throw it out, that a veto would have been far preferrable, and that the issue had no resonance with the voters anyway.

Now, those of us who criticized the President's signing of CFR have been completely vindicated, because the SCOTUS upheld all sorts of restrictions on Free Speech. Those who defended it, on any grounds, have been shown to have been badly mistaken on CFR.

I should think that would serve as a lesson to those who reflexively defend this President in anything and everything, despite evidence that contradicts their conclusions.

We need to do better than to lean on the hope that some troubling development in the Bush Administration is just a trumped-up effort by liberal media to sow division in the GOP.

President Bush is capable of mistakes. He is about to make an enormous mistake with regard to Illegals, and it's likely to hurt the GOP when he does.

The resultant division within the Republican Party will be the President's own doing.

[Sabertooth]

I see the Train to Pertinence has again left you at the station.

Regards

[Cultural Jihad]

Does your use of a foreign-hosted image from a foreign server make you an illegal, or just unAmerican?

[Sabertooth]

Does your use of a foreign-hosted image from a foreign server make you an illegal, or just unAmerican?

Why, neither, thank you.

That wasn't an especially artful false dilemma in the service of an ad hominem, btw. Post holiday blues?

Taking a gander at your posts on this thread, I wonder if it's possible for you to post a comment on this topic that eschews fallacious reasoning.

[txdoda]

Immigration without a visa is, under the vast majority of cases, a misdemeanor offense.>>>>>

OOPS !! Guess you forgot to mention the NUMEROUS FEDERAL laws that illegals then go on to violate, some, for many years. Such as, working in the US, income tax invasion, possession of fraudulent/phony federal I.D's, just to name a few. Then there's driving without licenses, no insurance, welfare fraud, all state LAWS that many violate DAILY.

[Cultural Jihad]

Yes, but those are separate issues from immigration violations. The majority who commit those crimes are probably citizens.

[txdoda]

And if illegals here in 04 deserve legalization, why won't those here in 05, 06, 07 ? So, to be fair, we gotta keep the rolling amnesties rolling - >>>>>>>

LOL......I've already suggested we change April 1st to our yearly *amnesty day* for illegals. This could also honor the *foolish* Americans that allow the amnesties to continue.