Bush to Seek Immigrant Benefit Protection

Washington Post ^ | January 4, 2004 | Mike Allen

[rmlew]

Show me the error in my arguement.

[FITZ]

explaining that only 50% of illegal aliens enter the US by crossing the border from Mexico?

That's true --- there are different kinds of illegals --- and they have different effects on this country. Many get visitor visas --- actually enter legally, but then they never leave. They may head right on over to the county hospital and give birth, they may stay with relatives or friends and mooch off them, they may get jobs and work illegally. Some others get shopping passes --- but really come back and forth every day to work --- the new laser visa seems to be catching more of these --- one of my neighbors had one and drove back and forth over the border very often --- cause he had a Mexican registered car and liked to go home often --- they took away his visa because they knew by all the times he came and lengths of stay that he must be working (of course he's back and still working but now without the car).

Then there are illegals who hook up with some organized crime ring that provides them whatever kind of documents like a stolen social security number or visas --- they might enter at a legal port --- they don't need to cross the desert if they have papers that allow them through customs. They get good jobs using their fraudulent papers. The ones coming through the desert illegally also are different types --- some are running drugs, some have criminal records and don't want to risk being detected at the bridges. Some are just unofficial guest workers --- they just want to work but don't want to commit another crime by committing fraud --- they're the ones more likely to be content raking someone's yard and mostly plan to go back home once they can.

[FITZ]

They come here legally?

They get through legally --- most illegals aren't coming in through the desert -- most of the ones coming to use the hospitals obtain a shopping or visitor pass or medical visa --- and some come to use the hospitals here because they don't have to pay like they would in Mexico and go back after their hospital stay is over. The illegals coming over the desert often are caught a few times until they figure out the system. Then they make it over pretty easily. As long as they do things the right way, they don't get in much trouble for getting caught.

[looscnnn]

I say that if they are here illegally and are paying into the system, scr@w them and just use the money to help keep SS from "tanking". What side can the Dems take on this? If they say the illegals are entitled to what they paid in, then they will be helping SS to "tank". If they say to heck with the illegals, they would be agreeing with most of the conservatives and that would certainly frost their nickers.

[looscnnn]

No, vote for Homer Simpson.

[looscnnn]

It wouldn't be so bad if we just annexed them would it?

Problem is that the Dems would get the votes from them, thus putting them into power. Just another place full of poor people for them to whine about and do nothing to help.

[looscnnn]

President proposes, Congress disposes.

Have you been hanging out with Johnny Cochran or rewatching the Simpson trial? ;)

[looscnnn]

Puerto Rico has to make up its mind first, obviously. Those slow pokes

Won't happen, they have all the perks of being a state without having to join the union.

[JustPiper]

Yep and your right , just like many died a slow death ;(

[JustPiper]

Lookie what Zip made ;)

[JustPiper]

Ping ;)

[Pro-Bush]

Priceless!

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Where to stop it? In Congress.

I'm with you on this, the proposal is a long way from becoming reality. In fact I bet it won't even see the light of day.

But if Congress does pass this ridiculous scheme and loses the House because of it, they'll have no one but themselves to blame.

[The Old Hoosier]

Bush already HAS given up if he's actually going to do this.

[winker]

Free exchange of ideas and fruitful conversation does not necessarilly pick and choose sides; it remains free to float freely in the OZONE!

[Zipporah]

This is absolutely amazing.. IF any of my employees give wrong information on a I-9 (required for employment) OR as employers we do not complete the form in full, it's a federal offense.. SO I see, illegals give WRONG social security numbers .. and that's okay.. ?? Make sense of that?.. sigh..

[chicagolady]

High-immigration cheerleaders claim that we need immigration for our economy. But they ignore the detrimental effect that importing workers has on American workers, particularly low-skilled natives. In a supply and demand economy like ours, the more there is of something, the less value it has. By artificially inflating the number of workers in our country, immigration lowers the value of workers, and wages are depressed. As George Washington University economics professor Robert Dunn notes, “I know business people who tell me they’re not interested in hiring Americans because the people who come from outside are cheaper. But ... if there’s an unlimited supply of labor facing this country from outside, from the South or wherever, at five dollars an hour, I don’t care how fast this economy grows, the wage rate for such people is going to be five dollars an hour!”1

The Skill Levels of Most Immigrants Are Low.
Thanks to immigration laws that favor relatives instead of skilled workers, most of the immigrants being admitted are low-skilled. Out of all the adult immigrants admitted in 2000, 69 percent had no reported profession, occupation, or job at all.2 The average adult immigrant has only a ninth-grade education; more than a third of immigrants over 25 are not high school graduates.3
Claims That We Need Low-Skilled Workers Are False.
Some employers claim that they need to import low-skilled workers to compete in the world market, where wages are very low. But those employers have simply become dependent on cheap foreign labor to the detriment of American workers: “Network recruitment [of immigrants] not only excludes American workers from certain jobs; it also builds a dependency relationship between U.S. employers and Mexican sources that requires a constant infusion of new workers,” says economist Philip Martin.4 Such a strategy for our economy is doomed to failure anyway: “The low-wage strategy may work in the short run, but in the long run it’s a loser. In the long run, we are not going to win a wage-cutting contest with the Third World,” notes economist Vernon Briggs.5

Besides, the United States already has plenty of low-skilled native workers: “No technologically advanced industrial nation that has 27 million illiterate adults ... need have any fear about a shortage of unskilled workers in its foreseeable future.”6

The effects are most pronounced in the cities where immigrants go. High immigration cities have twice as much unemployment as low immigration cities.10 Because too much immigration keeps wages low, wage increases in low-immigration cities have been 48 percent higher than in high-immigration cities.11 Thus, immigration contributes to the growing disparity between the rich and the poor in this country 12 and the shrinking of the middle class.13 But the damage is not confined to high-immigration locales. The harm is carried to other cities when poor Americans whose wages have been depressed or who have been displaced from their jobs by immigration move to low-immigration areas in search of greener pastures.14

Wages Are Lowered By Competition From Immigrants.
The effect of immigration on those low-skilled Americans is profound, and the government knows it: “Undoubtedly access to lower-wage foreign workers has a depressing effect [on wages],” says former Labor Secretary Robert Reich.7 Research suggests that between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers.8 Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year.9

Large-Scale Immigration of Low-Skilled Workers Must Be Stopped.
In short, the mass importation of low-skilled workers through immigration damages the job market for Americans, depresses wages for low-skilled natives, and costs the taxpayer billions a year-all for the benefit of businesses that have become dependent on cheap, foreign labor. An immigration system that admits too many people, without regard to their skill levels or impact on the labor force, is to blame. We must reform the immigration laws to lower the level of annual immigration and to ensure that those immigrants who are admitted complement, not compete, with our native labor force.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Well the thread is dead, but the war is still on.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

BTTT from the dead thread.

[TigersEye]

bttt