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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: OWK
Hey, rational criticism is one thing. Laundry lists and snide comments aren't arguments and they're not welcome.
201 posted on 02/02/2004 10:18:59 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer
Alright. If you don't think the dems are worse, tell me why. Tell me how. I'm waiting.

Again with the inspirational "but the dems are worse" campaign message.

Truly, truly, pathetic.

Is this how far the nation has sunk?

That "but they are a little more socialist than us" is the rallying cry of people who consider themselves "conservative"?

It's like living in bizarro-world.

202 posted on 02/02/2004 10:19:49 AM PST by OWK
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To: Sockdologer
they're not welcome.

They never are, among apologists.

Curious thing that...

203 posted on 02/02/2004 10:20:37 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Quit repeating yourself and make an argument.
204 posted on 02/02/2004 10:20:47 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer
Maybe you don't realize just how bad you're getting spanked in this thread.

My argument is on the table.

Bush is a leftist.

Either rebutt it.. or live with the fact that you support a leftist.

Simple as that.

207 posted on 02/02/2004 10:22:56 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
It's amazing when you can "spank" someone in a thread
without even making a real argument. Bush is further to
the left than some of us. But he's also championed a lot
of conservative causes, which you can view in post 170.
Your leftist list pales in comparison.

Now. Tell me how ensuring a Democratic win helps the country - And I want an answer this time. Not
a defensive question.

See, being better than the left may not be good enough
for you, but I'd pick voting for someone who's a little better than the left over someone who is completely left
any day. You may not like the situation - but
let's be realistic. There are two options. They may be ugly. But you're supporting the worst of them and that
doesn't make much sense to me.




209 posted on 02/02/2004 10:32:09 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: OWK
Bush is a leftist.

Silly rhetoric. Bush is center-right compared to the overall political spectrum, the exact type of candidate the right needs to use to stay in the White House. If we run someone more conservative than he is, the swing voters in the middle throw their votes to the current leftist.

If you don't like the system we have which forces us into this choice, blame the founders you pretend to respect. They created a system that would limit shifts of power to the opinions of broad coalitions. Broad coalitions are inherently moderate, great for stable and slow change in our country but much to our dismay and to the dismay of the Greenies at the edge of the left.

The founders forced us thankfully into a situation where if we want to force significant change in our government, it can only happen with a majority of the public behind us.... quit your useless whining and help us pull more lefties over to the right.

210 posted on 02/02/2004 10:34:28 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Sockdologer; OWK
Keeping Bush in office under his current leftist leanings will result in a slow and painful death.

You may fear a Dem or another other than Bush, but a Dem would take us to a quick death, where we can then unite and deal with it and correct it. Would you rather the inevitable be put off only to be dealt with by your children? I'd rather we start on the road to taking back our country in my generation.

Remember Hillarycare? It was so left and so drastic that it united the masses. That would be the case with every program a Kerry or Dean proposes, and would be easy for even the most "compassionate conservative" to unite with the true conservatives and defeat this evil once and for all. Under his current leanings, Bush is taking us down the road to liberal destruction, albeit slower and in a stealth manner. So do we die a slow painful death, or do we recognize our enemy, allow them to step forward and then defeat them.

If GWB is not willing to act like a true conservative and govern to the right, I can take 4 years of hell if it means we unite and finally correct the course.
211 posted on 02/02/2004 10:37:18 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: The_Eaglet
Your buddy jimkress is no longer with us... apparently someone got tired of his repeating the DU mantra 24/7.
212 posted on 02/02/2004 10:38:11 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Tamsey
Silly rhetoric.

Absolute and undeniable truth.

He's a leftist.

' Bush is center-right compared to the overall political spectrum...

Compared to what?

Today's spectrum?

Perhaps by today's standards he's a "centrist" at best.

By the standards of even a few decades ago, he's a hardcore socialist.

And each passing year.. the standard gets lower, and lower and lower...

You are fueling the continuous drift leftward by pretending otherwise.

213 posted on 02/02/2004 10:38:13 AM PST by OWK
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To: Tamsey
"help us pull more lefties over to the right."

How do you propose we do this? By moving farther left? Redefining left and right? Or inviting them over and them belittling them?

214 posted on 02/02/2004 10:38:36 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Ches
How do you propose we do this? By moving farther left?

That seems to be the plan.

215 posted on 02/02/2004 10:39:56 AM PST by OWK
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To: Cultural Jihad
If you mean I belong to the open and full immigration Libertinian Party, you are wrong

I'm surprised you don't. They want to legalize your use of cannabis.

217 posted on 02/02/2004 10:43:31 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Sockdologer
"I'm not happy with everything GW's done, but it could've been a LOT worse had Algore won the election."

Sounds like you believe in "unconditional love". That only works with your Children, but even then they occasionally require "tough love".

As long as you continue to forgive and overlook flawed policies and actions by politicians, you will continue to get flawed policies and action.

There is a saying, "Don't expect what you don't inspect". In politics, it is "Don't expect what you don't demand."

218 posted on 02/02/2004 10:43:42 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Mr. Low Key; OWK
My dear ol' dad used to say, "When men make plans, God laughs."
219 posted on 02/02/2004 10:43:54 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Sockdologer
Kudos to Southack for compiling it
220 posted on 02/02/2004 10:44:31 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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