Kurt Cobain: Still Dead (And Other Observations)

Intellectual Conservative ^ | 06 April 2004 | Brian S. Wise

[presidio9]

Jacqui,
My new firewall at work prevents me from sending and receiving FReepmail, otherwise this would have been a private message. I had no idea that you were Chris's wife, and I apologize for helping this a--hole stir up painful memories. I got to know Chris' online personality before he died, but obviously I never knew him as a person. We had some common interests (not the least of which is that I am trapped in a liberal hell of my own) and traded a few FReepmails. What I saw of him, I liked. When I was in my early twenties, two very close childhood friends comitted suicide within a few weeks of eachother. A year later, my closest sibling's attempt was unsucessful. I completely agree with your viewpoint that mental illness has the effect of completely altering a personality. Life is not only about our final moments, and it completely appropriate to continue to celebrate Chris' achievments and accomplisments. I am proof that he had many fans that you (and, unfortunately even he) did not know about. I understand your desire to remove yourself from this thread. If you need to respond to me in private I will try to check my FReepmail this weekend. I will say a prayer for you and Chris on Easter.
P9

[1L]

They single-handedly killed the 80's heavy metal, hair band crapola.

Like it or not (and I didn't particularly), anything Quiet Riot or Twisted Sister did was a hell of a lot better than anything Cobain ever listened to, much less produced.

Nobody would have ever heard of this idiot had he not blown his brains out. The reason he used a shotgun is that he would have missed with a centerfire.

[Houmatt]

Now you hold on a second. Cobain's musical contribution is absolutely not relevant. What exactly are we observing? The tenth anniversary of Cobain's death. That's what the bloody article you posted is about. NOT his music.

Got that? Good.

[bc2]

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[Wolfie]

Ahhh, nothing like old people trying to comprehend music made for and by young people who are already too old to appreciate what young people like today.

[bc2]

Another Nirvana article. Interestingly enough, another Queens of the Stone Age refference.

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[presidio9]

Now you hold on a second. Cobain's musical contribution is absolutely not relevant. What exactly are we observing? The tenth anniversary of Cobain's death. That's what the bloody article you posted is about. NOT his music.

Don't even. The article is not in the slightest bit about Cobain's death. It is written to commorate the 10th anniversary of his death. It is about his life and how his music has come to be appreciated since then.

Your conscience may be bothering you because you rudely disturbed and then attacked a recent widow, and gave the rest of us NYers a bad name, but I can assure you that the nature and the details of Cobain's death are not mentioned in the article. Even in passing. You are projecting your own disapproval of the band's music. Again.

Got that? I didn't think so.

[RepoGirl]

"Love Will Tear Us Apart"...angst on vinyl.

Paul Young, of the bubblegum "everytime you go away' tune, did a nice cover of that song. I thought the lyrics were amazing--and I loved it, until I heard the original that is. The cover just didn't do it justice.

Joy Division--great band.

[Axenolith]

If you were married to Courtney Love would you want a firearm, sharp objects or a rope in the house?

[Gulf War One]

Well, I heard that his friends told him that if he had half a brain, he'd quit doing drugs.

[bc2]

I remember the first time I heard "Smells Like.." on the radio. It was in between MC Hammer and some hair band crap. I thought it was alright. I never really got into the whole Nirvana thing, because as I got more into music I realised that mainstream music in the 90s totally sucked, and that there were so many badass bands from the late 60's to the mid 80s who wrote and performed stuff that would have made Nirvana sound like the overhyped crap that it is in comparison.

The more I think about Nirvana, the more I am convinced that Dave Grohl was the real brains of the operation from behind the drums. What is Krist Novoselic doing nowadays? Krist who? Exactly.

Dave Grohl playing with Queens Of The Stone Age, June 2002

[dfwgator]

They single-handedly killed the 80's heavy metal, hair band crapola. If for no other reason, we should be grateful for that

Kinda like how "The Knack" killed off disco.

[Skooz]

Actually, it took the whole New Wave movement to kill off the multi-headed behemoth of Disco. The Knack, The Clash, Blondie, Talking Heads, The B52s, et al, finally put the stake in the heart of the Beast.

I remember it well. I never real cared for New Wave, but I loved watching it kill disco. 1979-1980.

[The Good Doctor]

Very sligh misdirection. You overtly proclaim the greatness of one (Kurt Cobain), while subliminally advancing the true dead genius... Bob Ross!

[Skooz]

there were so many badass bands from the late 60's to the mid 80s who wrote and performed stuff that would have made Nirvana sound like the overhyped crap that it is in comparison.

James Gang

[Houmatt]

Since you are obviously too stupid to read your own article, allow me to point out how full of crap you are:

Spin magazine was the first by my observation to put the very dead Kurt Cobain on its April cover to mark the tenth anniversary of his suicide, on 05 April 1994 (his body was found on 08 April). Though he’s nearly twenty-five in this picture, he looks all of seventeen and decidedly sober, one of those rarities. It’s hard to say how often Cobain was photographed sober, but since his death very few publications have thought to publish a decent photo of the man, for fear of not portraying him as a tragic figure.

But at least we have tragic texts. “Kurt Cobain was many things while he was alive – punk, pop star, hero, victim, junkie, feminist, geek avenger, wiseass. But ten years after his death, he’s something else entirely. He’s a ghost [emphasis original] …. [The] bitter finality of Cobain’s end became an indelible part of his story …. No other chapter in pop music history has so much darkness at its center. And no other artist still haunts us in such a powerful, subliminal way.” And so forth.

(End excerpt.)

You are projecting your own disapproval of the band's music. Again.

Horsehockey. I am not talking about Kurt Cobain's music because quite frankly I could care less about his music. I am talking about Kurt Cobain, the man who committed suicide. And I have made that position quite clear from the word go.

Your conscience may be bothering you because you rudely disturbed and then attacked a recent widow,

Now that's just flat Barbra Streisand. I did not attack anyone's widow. Surely you have better things to do than to be intellectually dishonest and slander people.

[presidio9]

Since you are obviously too stupid to read your own article, allow me to point out how full of crap you are:

I assure you that I am fully capable of reading my own article. I am also capable of recognizing that the mention of Cobain's suicide in the article does not qualify the article as being about his death. It's clearly not. I also make a point of abstaining from childish insults, but I do find it ironic that someone who would argue the position that this aritcle is about Cobain's death would have the temerity to be calling other people "stupid." But then, I remember the definition of the word "stupid" and it all falls into place, if you know what I mean.

I am not going to bother adressing the rest of your ravings, other that to give you the same instructions given to you by KangarooJacqui, widow of Chris Van Loon: Seek help, but leave me the hell alone. Thanks so much.

[Houmatt]

The fact is, you are full of it. Like I said, I have made my position quite clear from the word go. You, on the other hand, had the audacity to imply there were positive qualities to suicide. You also said that not only is the article not about Cobain's demise, it does not even mention the fact he killed himself. I point out that it did indeed, so you respond by further implying I am stupid.

As for you "not going to bother adressing the rest of your ravings," it is only because you know you cannot argue any of it with me because we both know what I said was 100% true. I do not imply anything. I am right out front with what I am doing, and why.

Finally, regarding your request I "seek help," I say: Go play on the freeway. Which is about as civil as I am going to be in public.

[Ignatz]

Lol!

[presidio9]

The fact is, you are full of it. Like I said, I have made my position quite clear from the word go. You, on the other hand, had the audacity to imply there were positive qualities to suicide. You also said that not only is the article not about Cobain's demise, it does not even mention the fact he killed himself. I point out that it did indeed, so you respond by further implying I am stupid.

Sigh. I really don't know why I'm bothering to keep this up, but what I actually said was:

"the details of Cobain's death are not mentioned in the article"

What I said was true. The more you argue, the bigger the hole you dig. Trust me, you don't want to be playing amateur detective with me here. The article is not about Cobain's death in any way, but if pretending that it is helps you feel better about browbeating recent widows and persuing asinine tangents that stoke your underserved ego, by all means be my guest.

As for you "not going to bother adressing the rest of your ravings," it is only because you know you cannot argue any of it with me because we both know what I said was 100% true. I do not imply anything. I am right out front with what I am doing, and why.

Your opinion is mean-spirited and immature. Do I believe that suicide is ever an option? Of course not. Would I ever force a young widow who recently lost a husband to suicide to have that conversation? I'd rather die first. What person in that situation would not blame themselves on some level? You have zero social skills.

Finally, regarding your request I "seek help," I say: Go play on the freeway. Which is about as civil as I am going to be in public.

What's this? An invitation to commit suicide? On this thread? You are without question the most classless person that I have run into on FR in quite some time.