But they had the side effect of clobbering all immigration enforcement. They never got repealed, and got expanded as the years went by.
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Posted on 07/08/2004 4:08:45 PM PDT by truthkeeper
We don't have to agree, but I like having a discourse on this subject without the name calling and bitterness. I do enjoy some of the lighter jabs though... sorry I'm only human : )
But they had the side effect of clobbering all immigration enforcement. They never got repealed, and got expanded as the years went by.
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Regardless, Asa sounded like a political hack on KFI. He should have been better prepared to discuss the issue.
I ain't the one who lives in perpetual bitterness.
That's not my address either Dane....
Sorry you misjudge so much...
At least Asa went on their dog and pony show. Get back to me when John and Ken get either Feinstein or Boxer.
The Border Patrol and the INS rely on cooperation with local law enforcement for targeting information. Let me blindfold you and have you get into a fistfight with someone less skilled than you are, but not blindfolded. Care to make a small wager on the outcome?
Also, the larger failure of the feds was subsequent to the 1986 Amnesty anyway. Sanctuary cities had nothing to do with the feds refusal to enforce laws against employers who hire Illegals.
They actually tried to. Unfortunately, juries refused to convict, persistently believing the employers' claims that they were victimized by "cleverly forged IDs" that Mister Magoo could recognize as fake...
Feel the need to make a derogatory comment about another FReeper in the open Forum, ping them to it.
Otherwise use your private FReepmail.
I'm sure that the majority of FReepers on this thread would have appreciated it, if you and Dane would have kept all of your thoughts confined to your private FReepmail.
LOL!
I understand that and my reply #993 was not directed to you, yet you decide to respond with your reply #1001 and I gave my opinion about some on FR(not necessarily you) in my reply #1004.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168427/posts
I can at least be adult enough to stop beating a dead horse, a trait that seems to elude you.
You may have the last word.
Some of what we are dealing with in elections here in SoCal:
TESTIMONY OF GLENN SPENCER
CONGRESSIONAL TASK FORCE ON THE
CONTESTED ELECTION (Dornan - Sanchez)
46TH DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
April 19, 1997
Santa Ana, California
NOTE: Glenn Spencer of Voice of Citizens Together was invited to speak before the Congressional Task Force investigating the Dornan/Sanchez voter fraud issue in Orange County, California.
Spencer was invited because he was the leader of one of the groups gathered outside the hearing room.
Spencer had not expected to speak and had not prepared a statement in advance. These remarks were based on an outline prepared in a few minutes prior to being called to the witness table
Verbatim Transcript
Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee I am president of Voice of Citizens Together which is also a multi-ethnic organization. I look with fondness and pride back on my six years working with American Indians in the northern plains and working with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. I have a strong record on that basis.
I'd like to talk today about the crime of voter fraud.
It seems to me that if there is a crime oftentimes you look for two things, motive and opportunity. As we have seen today, in California there are manifold opportunities for this crime, if it does happen. I would like to talk about motive for just a moment.
RECONQUISTA
I would like to go back to the Atlantic Monthly magazine of November, 1996 where Stanford professor, David Kennedy, said the following, quote, "The United States has had no experience with what is taking place in the American Southwest. In the next generation or so we will see a kind of Chicano Quebec taking place." Professor Kennedy characterized it by saying it was a Reconquista, a taking back of the American Southwest that was taken from Mexico as the result of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
In 1986, Congress passed and the President signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act which granted amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, many of them from Mexico. That was an attempt to stop illegal immigration. As we see from recent census data, it didn't work.
In 1994 five million Californians passed Proposition 187, but it was blocked by U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer who said that it was an illegal state scheme to control immigration. A scheme. We believe it was legal. We believe it was not a scheme, but I agree, it was an attempt to stop the invasion of California.
This month United States Attorney General Janet Reno, testifying before Congress, said that the surge in application for citizenship was mainly due to Proposition 187. As a result, she was saying, then, if we believe Judge Pfaelzer, that the surge in citizenship was caused by an attempt to control immigration.
BACKLASH
Following the passage of Proposition 187 we saw an enormous backlash.
In January of 1995, meeting at the University of California at Riverside, Latino leaders, some 400 strong, met to determine how they were going to deal with this issue. At that meeting, and we have it on video tape, Art Torres, who is now the chairman of the California Democratic Party, said as follows, quote," Proposition 187 was the last gasp of white America in California."
The meeting went on to determine that Latinos had to get the power of the vote to stop Proposition 187 from every happening again.
Since that time we have seen a flurry of activity, not only with the Southwest Voter Registration and Education Project, Hermandad Mexicana Nacional, and others.
But let's look at Hermandad. I'm going to tell you that we have looked at Hermandad. Yes it was founded by a Marxist/Leninist as described in the Los Angeles Times. Yes their documentation shows that their initial concept was to represent undocumented immigrants, or illegal aliens. Their logo is the Mexican flag.
In my judgment, we are looking at Mexican nationalism.
CITIZENSHIP USA
At the same time this surge was on-going with these groups, we saw Citizenship USA born within this administration. Led by Vice President Gore, Citizenship USA is coming under mounting criticism for cheapening the citizenship process and for fraud by the INS itself.
THE MEXICAN CONNECTION
Then at the same time these things were going on, the Mexican government stepped in and offered dual nationality as an inducement for Mexican nationals who were not naturalizing at the normal rate, to become U.S. citizens. According to Jorge Bustamante writing in Mexico's Excelsior newspaper, this was to create lobbyists for Mexico in the United States. And this effort was initiated by the Consul General of Mexico in Los Angeles.
Recently in response to our new legislation on immigration, the President of Mexico said, quote "We will not tolerate foreign forces dictating and enacting laws on Mexicans. " This is our law.
It was also quoted in the Los Angeles Times that their debate over that law was likened to a declaration of war.
I want to say in summary, we see motive in Reconquista, we see motive in wanting to remain President of the United States, and we see motive on the part of the Mexican government to increase its influence in the American Southwest.
Thank you.
End of testimony.
Not one shred of evidedence to support the claim of massive voter fraud. Just a bunch of opinion.
From California Today Newspaper:
Voter Fraud Controversy Keeps Focus on Hermandad
CTN Sacramento Bureau
Wednesday, October 15, 1997
Secretary of State Bill Jones is continuing his push to reveal the staggering amount of voter fraud that has taken place in Orange County.
Far and away the most flagrant violator of state's voting laws seems to be the immigrant-rights organization Hermandad Mexicana Nacional. Action in a California court is expected to follow as a result of Jones' investigation.
According to the investigation, Hermandad registered over 700 non-citizens to vote in last year's statewide election. Of that number, over 300 voted illegally in the race. Many in Orange County suspect Hermandad's voter fraud played a key role in ousting long-time incumbent Republican congressman Bob Dornan.
Compared to the 1-4% error rate expected in the simple registration process, Hermandad's registration rate reached 60%, enough for investigators to suspect systemic fraud. Hermandad's error rate stood out alone among the more than 400 political organizations checked.
``We do not have, it seems, another group that even comes close to the large number of non-citizens registered,'' Jones said.
A recent purge of the voter rolls in Orange County supports Jones' assertion. Many areas of the county have shown a significant decline in the number of Democrat voters registered to vote, casting further suspicion on Hermandad's actions.
Have a good weekend, Luis. I'm off for Shabbat.
Dornan lost by 700 votes, after not campaigning in a Democrat majority district. How many times do I have to repeat those embarrassing facts?
BTW speaking of Boxer, why don't you give us an update on the party's candidate Bill Jones? I'm planning on voting for him too, but I haven't heard a single damn ad telling me why I should.
Whats the GOP doing to get him elected?
Who's the union guy?
Right now, nothing. People have checked out for the summer. Campaigning now is a waste of time and energy.
Well Jones better get going. The latest Field poll has him down over 20 pts and we 'unappeasables' don't want to catch hell when he loses.
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