A vanity from a former Hostage

self | October 22nd, 2004 | Svetlana Gubareva

[svni]

I would like to summon up my courage and declare that, of all the participants in this discussion, only I am personally acquainted with Anna Politkovskaya and, perhaps, the reality of Russia.

And so, I feel that I have the right to say the following:

1. It is an abominable idea, that Anna was not poisoned, but was only trying to enhance her image. She has already made her name and displayed her authority, not only in the former Soviet Union, but in other countries as well. None of you show her any sympathy, though no one has the right to take her life outside of the law, no matter how bad she may be.
2. Have any of you, as Anna did, sat in a hole without food or water, as a hostage of the federals in Chechnya, have any of you seen murdered children and the faces of their parents, so that you can accuse her of deceipt or hypocrisy for the sake of popularity? Who of you has left all business behind in the USA, in order to stand in the middle of a city square under the guns of spetsnaz and terrorists, awaiting the decision by some headquarters on whether you could buy some juice with your own money to carry into the Moscow theater, to help us, the hostages there?
3. Why has the elementary thought not occurred to any of you, that a person can love their country, their city, their people, and want that life in their country should be as comfortable as in the USA?
4. Why have so many of you taken it upon yourselves to play God and decide which people should live, and which should not?

My friend very accurately describs terrorism and the fight against it in Russia. I can devise nothing better than her words here:

"Terrorists, including those who seized the school in Beslan, they are brain-dead degenerates and curs. Do not forgive them, insult them, or pay them attention. Don't give them anything. If there is a realistic chance of destroying them without risking, or minimally risking, the lives of hostages, this chance should be taken, quickly, decisively, and without doubts. For the sake of saving people, I negotiated with them and continued to the last opportunity, in the hope of saving people. I could care less how the surrounding world related to my activities, or what were the opinions of dense, impatient cowards, corrupt officials, and the like. Officials change rapidly and forever; people only live once, and they die forever. If someone were to take offense that I figuratively splash excrement on the honor of his uniform, I would exchange him without pity for women and children, no matter who he was. If this person cannot understand the value of human life, let him see for himself how it feels.

"That terrorists are the last of the degenerates does not mean that anti-terrorists have spotless hands which carry happiness and joy into every home. If we find among the anti-terrorists mediocrity, non-entities whose honor is for sale, liars, boasters, and heartless martinets - who defend only the honor of their uniform and the uniform of their commanders, then the result will be even worse acts by the terrorists; actually these two teams will play for a single goal - the death of the hostages.

"I am for effective anti-terror.

"If I don't support anti-terrorists, it does not mean that I support terrorists. It means that the anti-terrorists have not managed their tasks and have only increased the consequences of the terror act, and in so doing became accomplices of the terrorists.

"Anti-terrorists can cover up the details of situations and limit publicity about the proceedings as long as this is required in the interests of saving people. But every attempt to lie, distort the essence of the proceedings or what occurred, to shift blame for their errors onto others - this is a criminal offense which cannot be excused or expiated by any means; in this case the anti-terrorists are the terrorists' accomplices and should be punished together with them.

"Anti-terrorists bear full and unconditional responsibility for their actions. Anti-terror is not a joke, it's not a picnic on the curb, it's not checking IDs or ripping off rich people, it's not making up a budget or other official matters pleasant to the body and soul. Any attempt to shirk responsibility or let another pay the price aids the terrorists and anti-terrorists above all should be punished in the harshest manner, without difference as to man, job title, his merits, or anything else.

"The activities of anti-terrorists should not directed towards solving hostage crises, dealing with the after-effects of explosions and other diversions, but centered on making sure none of this ever happens. Any terror act, explosion, or diversion is an indication of poor work by the anti-terrorists. The aim of terror acts, explosions, and diversions are to show fully the unsatisfactory work of the anti-terrorists, and demands an immediate investigation and improvement of their work; high-ranking jobs and loud-sounding names are not for alleviating circumstances, but aggravating them.

"If a terror act happens somewhere anyhow, an investigation of its reasons and the activities of the anti-terrorists should be maximally open and uncompromising. Openness provides not just a chance of eliminating the possible causes of acts of terror, but provides the majority of people with information on how to conduct themselves in critical situations, whom they may trust, and whom they may not. Even a small amount of knowledge of what to do under difficult situations may help to save the lives of a majority of people.

"Everyone needs to remember that the heroism of some people is always the result of the consequences of inactivity, carelessness, corruption, or incompentence of others. If somewhere the need for heroism arises, it means that there were significant, unsurmountable problems that could only be overcome through the sacrifice of their own lives. Where the is heroism, you will find the lowest and most base of people; if it was all a result of their actions or inactions, thant these need to be found and treated as accomplices of the terrorists. If this is not done today, then it will all repeat again tomorrow, and most likely, with even worse consequences.

"The struggle against terror should not be carried out using the terrorists' methods, because this generates an endless cycle of bloody wars without rules or a reasonable exit. The principal of collective responsibility is the the basis of terror, no matter under what slogans or in what form it is carried out. No government, religious, or ideologic offices, programs, slogans, or pressing needs can justify extra-judicial violence, cruelty, or secret courts.

"I have purposely not named any of the government services, officials, and the like, because I do not believe that the presciptions for combating terrorist evil are any different in various corners of the world. But at this time I live in the Russian Federation, a government that has been in a state of war for many years already.

"Anti-terrorists (secret services) came to power in the Russian Federation five years ago with slogans of a struggle with terror and providing safety to the citizenry. Gigantic resources are concentrated in the hands of the anti-terrorists. Through the efforts of the military (the army are not anti-terrorists) the terrorists were driven off into the mountains, and deprived of their main bases, and their communications were seriously disrupted. The servicemen did practically everything that was in their power. Society gave anti-terrorists a huge amount of trust in advance, thanks to these servicemen. Now anti-terrorists comprise 70% of those who make decisions in the government, including the very head of the regime. Fighting terror is supposedly the main specialty of these anti-terrorists, but the result of their five years at the helm has been an intensified wave of terror acts throughout Russia. Now this wave has washed over Moscow and the North Caucasus, but this in no way means that other parts of Russia are safe.

"Thus, it has been proven through practice - a terrible, bloody, and inhumane practice - that these new Soviet anti-terrorists are ineffective. Since the army has not changed during this time, the blame is soley the anti-terrorists'. The old punitive and repressive structures have been shown to be helpless against the real challenges of our time, and this is why they we cast them off during perestroika. We need to replace all these monsters for more something more effective that they are now. It does not matter that we are in mid-stream, or that it's a bad time for it - it's already too late to wait for a better opportunity. The enemy is at the gates, and he doesn't care who is next."

Svetlana Gubareva, former hostage.

[jb6]

For all the critics of that operation in the theater, I have but one query: How would you do it with an 80%+ survival rate in a situation where the hostages are in an enclosed building, the columns are mined to explode and demolish the buildings, suiciders with vests are spread out within the crowd and the 30 odd terrorists are armed to the teeth. Then entrances are mined too boot. Please, all the critics out there: how would you do it? And if you don't know then I have one simple request for the lot: STFU. Since the majority of the critics have never spent day one in uniform, have never had to make decisions on people's lives, have never faced such situations or pressures and have no knowledge of such things: STFU and go learn or stay STFUed.

As for those who have no brains or backbone and will now whine: negotiate, give in. Then you are clueless, no less then clueless, you are selfish and evil. Why? Because by giving in to evil, you commit evil, you condemn other innocents to the same fate that you had. Danegeld is great, for the Danes, sucks for those who now can't get rid of the Danes.

For the lefty Russian critics who think that the US is some saint who will always get its citizens out by making nice with the enemy because US citizen lives are more important then US foreign policy or the US as a whole, you are clueless. The US is not stupid enough to negotiate with terrorists, just like Russian, Britian (for now), Italy, etc. Spain negotiated, nay, Spain turned into a true whore and allowed itself to be raped by the islamics and yet last week another islamic cell was busted getting ready to remind Spain why it's a terrorist's biatch. Spain and France and all these other gutless peoples are like battered wives: the keep going back to their batterers thinking if they just give in, next time will be different: this is a sick pathology and enough people in Russia, the US, and other nations also have it (anything but face the hard choice of fighting for your survival): thankfully in nations such as Russia and the US, the adults are in charge.

[Snapple]

One of the terrorists in the theater was with an official Russian delegation on a trip abroad.

I have to check the details but I posted it some weeks ago.

He boasted of his role in the attack, if memory serves me, and then died in a big car accident.

[jb6]

As I recall, the only person who was quoted as being in the FSB showed proof that he had never even spoken to the journalists that wrote about him.

Stop excusing the islamic terrorists, it's sickening.

[Snapple]

What are you talking about?

I am saying that someone with a position in the Russian government may have been with the terrorists. That is nothing to do with excusing anything.

I have to find the report again.

[struwwelpeter]

One of the terrorists in the theater was... died in a big car accident.

Khanpash Terkibayev

[nw_arizona_granny]

I think the report may be here:


Web
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Prague Watchdog - Crisis in Chechnya - www.watchdog.cz
... Chechen journalist Khanpash Terkibayev arrested Ruslan Isayev, North Caucasus
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... 16-18 December. The Chechen journalist, Khanpash Terkibayev, was killed
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... In Mesker-Yurt local resident Khanpash Terkibayev was arrested on suspicion of
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[struwwelpeter]

Ms. Gubareva has asked me to translate her observations and rebuttals to the above comments. Hopefully I can do her points some justice, even if my own feelings do not coincide. Since WE ARE NOT DEMOCRATS HERE, we can agree to disagree without flames, abuse, or keying each other's bumper stickers ;-)

Ms. Gubareva's statement:

A chto kasaetsya bezdokazatel'nosti moikh slov... Pochti polgoda posle ehtogo koshmara ya kopalas' v gazetakh tekh dney, prosmatrivala videozapisi, razgovarivala s byvshimi zalozhnikami. No ya zhe ne mogu vse ehti materialy, na osnove kotorykh sdelala svoy vyvod, rassylat' po internetu! :-)

Na primer, ya videla takuyu videos"emky, zhurnalist NTV rasskazyval o shturme, za kotorym on sledil s balkona sosednego doma. Ryadom s nim byl "al'fovets". Obrashchayu tvoe vnimanie - ehto bylo DO tak nazyvaemogo razminirovaniya zdaniya. Zhurnalist obratil vnimanie na to, kak nebrezhno pinayut spetsnazovtsy poyasa shakhidok, sprosil u al'fovtsa - pochemu? Tot otvetil - skoree vsego tam mylyazhi. Poluchaetsya, chto spetsnazovtsy ZNALI, chto vrzyvchatki tam net, a tol'ko mulyazhi? Ved' vneshne ehti mulyazhi ne otlichalis' ot nastoyashchikh.

Na odnoy iz ehtikh zapisey ya videla, kak Vasil'ev (zam. nachal'ka shtaba) delal zayavlenie o tom, chto pogibshikh net. My razdobyli videozapisi shturma, peredelali ee Ane Politkovskoy. V "Novoy gazete" poyavilis' po ehtomu povodu stat'i, odna iz nikh nazyvalas' "Zachem ona v nego strelyala?"

Ya govoryu - zachem ubili vsekh terroristov ne iz lyubvi k nim, a po toy prostoy prichine, kotoraya pochemu-to ne dokhodit do opponentov, khotya ya ee nazyvayu - oni mogli dat' pokazaniya ob organizatorakh ehtogo terakta. No komu-to bylo vygodno, chtoby svideteley ne ostalos'. Tol'ko ne nado govorit' "mogli vzorvat' sonnye" - fignya! raz ne vzorvali, poka ne byli sonnymi, to ne mogli. I ne nado mne govorit', chto raz byl edinstvennym i neobkhodimym sredstvom - v postanovlenii prokuratury o nevozbuzhdenii dela protiv spetssluzhb est' slova o tom, chto terroristy otstrelivalis' (boyus' oshibit'sya) ne to 20, ne to 40 minut iz 8 pistoletov (a pistolety byli tol'ko u zhenshchin) iz 13 avtomatov. To est' effektivnost' primeneniya gaza byla menee 50%, i sootvetstvenno vozrastala, kak by osvobozhdala zalozhnikov. Ya ne znayu, ehto ne moya professiya - ya inzhener-ehkolog. No odno ya znayu tochno - na predlozhenie terroristov otpustit' inostrannykh zalozhnikov ya postaralas' kak mozhno skoree zabrat' lyudey v otlichie ot shtaba, kotoriy sdelal zayavlenie o tom, chto oni protiv ehtogo... I sdelal vse, chtoby ehtogo ne sluchilos' - ya razgovarivala so svoim poslom, ya ehto znayu.

"Regarding the lack of evidence for my words... I was digging through newspapers for almost a half-year after this nightmare. I watched video recordings and spoke with former hostages. I cannot, however, send through the internet all the materials upon which I base my conclusion! :-)

"For example, I saw one such video: a journalist from NTV was discussing the assault which he followed from the balcony of the building next door. Next to him was an "alpha". Pay attention - this was BEFORE the so-called de-mining of the building. The journalist noticed how carelessly the special forces soldiers were cutting off the shakhidki's (female suicide bombers) belts, so he asked an alpha group member - why? The soldier replied that these were merely fakes. It turns out that the special forces KNEW that there were no explosives, but only fakes? The outward appearance of these fakes were obviously identical to real ones.

"On one of the recordings I saw Vasilev (representative of the chief of staff) declare that there were no deaths. We took the recordings of the assault, sent them to Anna Politkovskaya. "Novaya Gazeta" wrote articles about this, one of which is called "Why did she shoot him?"(English translation: here)

"I will say why they killed all of the terrorists, not out of love from them, but for a simple reason which hasn't occurred to my opponents: the terrorists could have given testimony about the organizors of the terror act. It was to someone's advantage to make sure that there were no witnesses. Don't go saying that "they could have blown up while sleeping" - balderdash! If they didn't blow up while they were awake, then they couldn't. And don't tell me that it was necessary, that it was the only way - there is the testimony at the attorney general's office regarding a criminal case brought against the special forces, in which it was stated that the terrorists fired for 20-40 minutes from 8 pistols (only the women had pistols) and 13 assault rifles. The effectiveness of the gas was less than 50%, and was dissipating as they freed the hostages. I don't know the details about the gas, it's not my profession - I am an ecologic engineer. But one thing I know for sure: the terrorists' offer to release the foreign hostages, I found out from people who associated with the headquarters, that the headquarter had declared that they were against this. I also spoke with my embassy, so I know this."

Ms Gubareva also sent the following links to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, which I haven't had time to nit-pick. Anyone up for it?

http://www.rferl.org/reports/corruptionwatch/2003/12/42-181203.asp
http://www.rferl.org/reports/corruptionwatch/2004/01/1-080104.asp
http://www.rferl.org/reports/corruptionwatch/2004/01/2-150104.asp

Have at it, and none of this Daffy Duck "You're Despicable" nonsense. That's not a debating technique.

[MarMema]

Where shall we seek criteria of truth? All too often men seek these criteria in what is lower than truth, in the objective world with its compulsions, seek criteria for spirit in the material world. And they fall into a vicious circle. Discursive truth can provide no criteria for final truth: it is only at the halfway mark, and knows neither the beginning nor the end. Every proof rests upon the unproven, the postulate, the created. There is risk, and no guarantee. The very search for guarantee is wrong and really means subjecting the higher to the lower. Freedom of the spirit knows no guarantees. The sole criterion of truth is truth itself, the light which streams out of it.

Truth has nothing to do with the objective world, but rather is related to spirit. Truth is something present and immediate.

[nw_arizona_granny]

I posted several of my searches from the other night and a small part of the articles found, not the ones with the
strongest opinions.

If one wishes to use the searches that I did, the search words are in each post, I use a simple general search at
Google, not a confining advanced search.

For months, in searches that have nothing to do with Russia, I have found reports that caused me to have doubts on the truths of the accepted reports of the Chechnya situation.

I did not know of Svni, until she posted here, so had no early opinions and was somewhat open, until I started the research that took all night, to answer a question that
Calpernia asked.

I find that the reports on the theater, from the newspapers are not easy to find and was surprised that it took so long to find the ones that I did.

It is true, there is no way to know the total truth, but one does have to try.

Svni, I thank you for sharing your story with me, it is important to me to know as much as I can about any thing that I take an interest in.

Peter, I thank you for giving me a chance to learn more than I knew a week ago.

My number one goal for my searches, deals with the muslim terrorists and I am very alarmed, that so many of my searches turn up a Russian connection, it is there, from all angles. Right down to the protest marches against America in the streets of the United States, every day.

There is something wrong with the picture, I am told that Russia is my friend and they sell arms to my countries enemies.

Therefore, I must keep seeking the truth.

[Calpernia]

>>>>"I will say why they killed all of the terrorists, not out of love from them, but for a simple reason which hasn't occurred to my opponents: the terrorists could have given testimony about the organizors of the terror act.

What about intentional disinformation while an investigation is occuring? That is normal to misreport for propaganda to confuse the enemy.

[struwwelpeter]

I'll try to pass on your words.

Personally, I don't think it's that cut and dried. "Russia" is a country, she doesn't do anything. People do. Leaders come and go, and often the most well-meaning leader has underlings who do not carry out their mission as the leader wanted.

I don't think V.V.Putin is the anti-Christ, or a killer as some suggest. He's a product of his environment, which would be a challenge for the strongest from any nation to survive in, let alone thrive.

The middle-ranked byurokratiya has been Russia's scourge since the days of Peter the Great. Certain parlimentarians order renumeraton of Beslan victims, and nasty mid-level bureaucrats make the grieving victims jump through hoops. Is this the fault of the top man in the Kremlin? Partially, since he has not reformed the system. But who can? Putin's systematic reforms are always judged in the worst possible light, by those who look for commies under the bed every night. Thank God we aren't running things ;-)

Nord-ost was a tragedy, but the blame is squarely with the terrorists. However: what nation would not demand an inquiry into the matter? If a sheriff solved a hostage situation at the local bank and ended up with 20% casualties, he'd certainly be answering questions.

Nord-ost indirectly led to Beslan, because no one learned from their mistakes. Lots of guns and tanks, no psychology.

[struwwelpeter]

Could you take a look at these video captures, and tell me what you see? I stare and stare and I can't tell what is going on. I thought I saw a dangling chad on one ;-)

[Calpernia]

I looked at the stills. I couldn't see enough to know what was actually happening.

Peter, all, I really could care less if a prisoner was shot. I lend no thought to it. It doesn't make me suspicious of Putin, nor of the situation that happened in the theatre.

Here in the US, we give the prisoners flu shots instead of the sick and old. We should shoot more prisoners.

[struwwelpeter]

Yowzas! That's so un-PC of you. ;-) I'm afraid I'm going to have to cancel your assignment as guidance counselor at Abu Graib.

[Calpernia]

>>>I'm afraid I'm going to have to cancel your assignment as guidance counselor at Abu Graib.


::goes to time out chair in the corner::

[Askel5]

=== I will say why they killed all of the terrorists, not out of love from them, but for a simple reason which hasn't occurred to my opponents: the terrorists could have given testimony about the organizors of the terror act.



Ding ding ding ... we have a winner!

A study of the McVeigh and Davidian trials -- if not also the spiriting out of the country of those individuals who knew Bin Laden the best (save for his one-time CIA handlers and such) -- suggests that this sort of thing is not encouraged here either.

Though we have yet to prove ourselves quite as efficient as the Former Soviets and almost seem to relish the circus-circuses -- such as Little Elian or Chandra Levy -- used to distract and debride the brains of Americans in between Key Events precipitating the usual "constitutional" Crises.

[GarySpFc]

Peter,

I am very familiar with what happened at Nord-ost. I was on top of this event when it happened, and devoured every fact as it was revealed. I am also very familiar with what happened to Sandy Booker, Svetlana and her daughter. I have compassion for her and what she went through. I might add my wife was in Volgograd at the time, and she suffered horribly and blamed the Russian government at the time.

That said, I will only cover a couple of details, but I found several points in the letters and articles which quite frankly are not simply wrong, but dead wrong.

I have previously stated my military qualifications on here, and it is boring to go into them again, but they need repeating. I was on a Special Forces A-Team for 6 years, and served as the teams demolitions expert.

Firstly, there were two 155 mm artillery shells rigged in the theatre, one in the balcony and the second suspended from the ceiling. These two shells were electronically to each other. Three of the terrorists had switches which would have set off the rounds. One of these would have been more than enough to bring down the building and killed everyone therein.
Secondly, I find it highly problematic that the charges on the Chechyen widows were fakes. That simply defies logic. Furthermore, the alpha SF had no way of knowing these charges were fakes prior to carefully examining them. The Russian SF simply could not take the chance they were fakes, because setting off one of these charges would have exploded the two 155 mm shells. Shooting the terrorists as they slept was the only option. Any soldier who did not follow out orders on this point would jeopardize everyone in the building. END OF DISCUSSION.
Thirdly, all military operations have problems, and this one was no exception. It is impossible to foresee every eventually, but professional soldiers try. Most of those who died did so in the theatre prior to when they were evacuated. The planning and logistics of entering the theatre, finding and killing the terrorists as they slept, and then removing sleeping victims through narrow aisles was a major operation.
Fourthly, I do not say the following lightly. I do not respect Anna Politkovskaya, and I consider her an opportunist, a liar, and likely a propaganda machine for the terrorists. Furthermore, I honestly do not believe she was poisoned.
I could go on and on. That said, I appreciate Svetlana's pain. My wife grieved horribly, believed the Russian government failed, and only after her nephew and I both confirmed the same things did she finally believe what we had to say.

Gary

[GarySpFc]

Please excuse the errors in my post. It was very late, and I did not notice them at the time.

[struwwelpeter]

Thanks for the info. I was afraid that I had a learning disorder - people keep throwing data at me, and I it never seems to add up.

It's getting clearer.

[nw_arizona_granny]

I can't see the pictures. sorry, but all there is for me
is some light and mostly dark.