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Does evolution contradict creationism?
Talk Origins ^ | 1998 | Warren Kurt VonRoeschlaub

Posted on 11/30/2004 3:53:55 PM PST by shubi

There are two parts to creationism. Evolution, specifically common descent, tells us how life came to where it is, but it does not say why. If the question is whether evolution disproves the basic underlying theme of Genesis, that God created the world and the life in it, the answer is no. Evolution cannot say exactly why common descent chose the paths that it did.

If the question is whether evolution contradicts a literal interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis as an exact historical account, then it does. This is the main, and for the most part only, point of conflict between those who believe in evolution and creationists.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; evolution; science
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To: VadeRetro; ThinkPlease; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; general_re; js1138; balrog666
**** ....and I believe that ThinkPlease was looking for any excuse to avoid having to debate the topic because ThinkPlease is intellectually incapable of forming a cogent argument. ****

Am I the only one here whose Irony Meter just blew up after reading the above statement?

He's accusing "ThinkPlease" of being "intellectually incapable of forming a cogent argument" while HE's the guy who cribbed HIS argument from someone else, WITHOUT GIVING ATTRIBUTION for it.

Now THAT sounds suspiciously like someone who is "incapable of forming make a cogent argument" of their own.

161 posted on 12/04/2004 2:59:55 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
He's accusing "ThinkPlease" of being "intellectually incapable of forming a cogent argument" while HE's the guy who cribbed HIS argument from someone else, WITHOUT GIVING ATTRIBUTION for it.

But he only SAID he didn't READ it first. So prove he did, Mr. Smartypants!

162 posted on 12/04/2004 3:01:39 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro
Looks like Creationists win by default. The opposition failed to show up. LOL!

Keep beating the drum of "plagiarizing". It is pointless, it isn't true, it doesn't address the issue.. hmmm seems like the classical evolutionist debate technique.

163 posted on 12/04/2004 3:02:27 PM PST by Reuben Hick
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To: VadeRetro; ThinkPlease; PatrickHenry; longshadow
No, no - see, it's all okay because he and this other author both apparently lifted it without attribution from some third party. Or something.
164 posted on 12/04/2004 3:08:05 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: Reuben Hick

To me it is not that you copy from some creationist crapsite. That has always been obvious. Your whole thought pattern is drenched with that horrible cult.

What is so sad, is that you use ruthless debate tactics against science, tactics that if any other Christian would approach them, you roundly criticize and squeal like a stuck pig when they do.

How do you like some of your own medicine?

God doesn't need a moronic defense for His Word. Read the Bible for what it really says, or you will start to slip into darkness of the soul that is irreparable.


165 posted on 12/04/2004 3:11:58 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL


166 posted on 12/04/2004 3:13:14 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Reuben Hick
So often we see this funny "I'm floating on air with no support" act. Never mind the stuff you copied is nonsense. The words are the same, long passages of them. You either wrote the passages yourself or you copied them. You could hardly have borrowed them from someone you know if you've never read them, even if the "someone you know" is yourself.

It is impossible that everything you have said is true. Your denials and admissions are incompatible. You have denied reading the statements and admitted borrowing them.

167 posted on 12/04/2004 3:21:49 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro
So often we see this funny "I'm floating on air with no support" act.

Sometimes known as the "Wyle E. Coyote" Syndrome..... in which the cartoon character doesn't actually fall into the the bottom of the canyon unless they look down.

168 posted on 12/04/2004 4:15:49 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Thrashing about frantically (lots of arm-waving and even-leg-waving) can also generate enough traction for a character to make it back to solid ground. Anyway, it works for Roadrunner sometimes, if never for Wile E.

Yeah. I think that's where they're getting their approach to these debates.

169 posted on 12/04/2004 4:20:15 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro
Anyway, it works for Roadrunner sometimes, if never for Wile E.

On further review, I think Roadie's main trick is to go from 60 to 0 in 0 seconds right on the very, very edge of the precipice. He probably never gets out on thin air. Wile E. has a problem stopping that fast, etc.

170 posted on 12/04/2004 4:23:35 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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171 posted on 12/04/2004 4:30:44 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: ThinkPlease
For the record, here's my alma mater's definition of "plagiarism":

Plagiarism includes, but is not limited to, failure to indicate the source with quotation marks or footnotes where appropriate if any of the following are reproduced in the work submitted by a student:

  1. A phrase, written or musical.
  2. A graphic element.
  3. A proof.
  4. Specific language.
  5. An idea derived from the work, published or unpublished, of another person.
[emphasis added]

source: http://www.cmu.edu/policies/documents/Cheating.html

The reader will note that a specific claim of "ownership" of material that is in fact attributable to another is NOT necessary for plagiarism to have taken place. The mere submission of the material in the absence of the appropriate attribution is sufficient.

172 posted on 12/04/2004 4:52:07 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
man, you can always be relied upon to furnish the genuine article when it's called for!

Nicely done!

173 posted on 12/04/2004 4:53:44 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
I must say you drew that very quickly!
174 posted on 12/04/2004 4:56:05 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro
I must say you drew that very quickly!

No doubt someone will now show up to accuse PH of claiming the cartoon as his own......

.... of course, to do so, one would have to ignore the artist's SIGNATURE on the cartoon itself, thus denoting attribution.

;-)

175 posted on 12/04/2004 5:00:28 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro

That's a tough definition. I don't think many of us credit our non-original ideas. I don't even remember where I first read most of the stuff I know.

Am I mistaken, or has the exact post in question been made before on FR? I have a distinct visual memory of a post made a year or so ago that was several paragraphs long, mostly a quotation, but had an odd sentence or two added in.


177 posted on 12/04/2004 5:03:56 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: longshadow

Images are something of a sore point on the internet. Particularly when altered. Life will suck when the image police get control of the internet.


178 posted on 12/04/2004 5:05:48 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro

I was already searching for Wile E. Coyote pics, so the timing was fortuitous. I couldn't find one with him running on air without realizing it.


179 posted on 12/04/2004 5:07:14 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: js1138
Am I mistaken, or has the exact post in question been made before on FR? I have a distinct visual memory of a post made a year or so ago that was several paragraphs long, mostly a quotation, but had an odd sentence or two added in.

An excellent question. It looked strangely familiar to me, which is why I initiated a Google search which led to the discovery of the referenced URL.

As far as having been used on FR before, I can't be sure; if it had, it should show up in a google search. It didn't on the phrase that I searched last night, but it might on others.

180 posted on 12/04/2004 5:09:17 PM PST by longshadow
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