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Firefox site hacked again
TechWorld ^ | 05 October 2005 | Robert McMillan

Posted on 10/05/2005 5:32:56 AM PDT by Golden Eagle

For the second time in three months, a security breach has shut down the marketing website used to promote the Firefox browser. Late Monday, members of the Spread Firefox community were notified that their Spread Firefox site had been hit by attackers looking to exploit a bug in the TWiki collaboration software, which had been running on the server.

The Mozilla Foundation does not believe that any sensitive information was compromised in the attack, but it is encouraging the approximately 100,000 Spread Firefox members to reset their passwords. "With these things it's hard to determine the exact nature of what happened," said Mike Schroepfer, director of engineering with the Foundation's Mozilla subsidiary.

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Somebody needs to catch these hackers, they keep blowing holes into the claim open source is more secure.
1 posted on 10/05/2005 5:32:57 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Well as long as you make a product someone wants, someone is going to try and screw with it.

Just ask Chevrolet about the corvair and we are still paying the crusader of that one.

2 posted on 10/05/2005 5:35:00 AM PDT by dts32041 ( Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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To: for-q-clinton; Bush2000; softwarecreator; ShadowAce; N3WBI3; Incorrigible; Mr. K; general_re

Seems to be a pattern. Other recent vendor/advocate hackings.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1496008/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1446071/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421954/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488637/posts


3 posted on 10/05/2005 5:36:22 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: dts32041
Well as long as you make a product someone wants, someone is going to try and screw with it.

Agreed. But just because a few fanatics hate you, doesn't mean they can hack you. Microsoft is on 90% of the world's computers, but I don't think they've ever been defaced. Of course, some fanatic who hates them will now come accuse me of being their shill, simply for stating the obvious.

4 posted on 10/05/2005 5:42:12 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

As Firefox attracts more of a following they are having more of their security flaws exposed. It lends credence to the argument that Microsoft's popularity is why is gets hacked more often, not because is is inherently more flawed (which is not to say that they don't have plenty of bugs/poorly designed features). Simply put however, the more features a product has, the more opportunity for flaws there is.

I agree with the other poster in regards to open source, the higher the level of transparency the easier it is to find and take advantage of any flaws which might exist.


5 posted on 10/05/2005 5:43:52 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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(June 2, 2005): Microsoft acknowledged Thursday that hackers booby-trapped its popular MSN Web site in South Korea to try to steal passwords from visitors.
6 posted on 10/05/2005 5:49:56 AM PDT by whd23
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To: contemplator
I agree with your post totally, except the fact that Microsoft's website itself and their affiliates aren't being hacked like we are seeing the open source vendor and advocate sites being hacked. While the hackers are obviously to blame, and the website operators and software vendors ultimately victims, this is an interesting trend in light of the open source proponents claims their software and processes are more secure.
7 posted on 10/05/2005 5:53:34 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Thanks! I retract any comments indicating this had never happened to MS sites. Apparently, Korea isn't a safe place to operate a website, as mozilla korea has been hacked multiple times as well.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 5:55:23 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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I've contributed fixes to this software. It's a piece of spaghetti Perl crap. www.twiki.org.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 6:22:43 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: contemplator
The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked. Apparently the wiki software they were running was buggy.
10 posted on 10/05/2005 6:55:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked. Apparently the wiki software they were running was buggy.

Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked. Any networked computer is only as secure as the least secure component running on it. Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.
11 posted on 10/05/2005 7:22:14 AM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked.

Can you show me anything in the article that anything about Firefox being hacked?

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

A pretty bold claim based on a perl-based wiki module being hacked. All software has bugs. The debugging process is an ongoing thing. Pretty good proof of the ongoing nature of this process is the fact that even without source code, we still see regular hacks of IE, which is, in todays terms pretty old and (allegedly) mature code. The open source model doesn't eliminate the possibility of defects, but it does make remediation quicker and more transparent for the most part. Some of us lappreciate that.

12 posted on 10/05/2005 7:55:28 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked.

Um...no, it doesn't.

The article clearly states "...attackers looking to exploit a bug in the TWiki collaboration software..."

So the hack was on the Twiki software...not Firefox.

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

Please. Much bigger holes were blown in the "closed source is more secure" argument with the sheer volume of viruses, trojans and worms spewed by Micro$lop's malware.

You guys have to go out of your way to find isolated instances of security breaches. Me, I get hundreds of copies of Microsoft's incompetence in the form of worm-based attacks in my web logs and e-mail viruses in my inbox on a weekly basis.

13 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:36 AM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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I retract any comments indicating this had never happened to MS sites.

That's good. 'Cause I also remember when Microsoft was distributing Nimda-infected distro CDs and the microsoft.com site itself was slammed by Nimda in September, 2001.

Do a search on the subject and you'll find a lot of us had to spend an awful lot of time analyzing and cleaning up after Microsoft's mess just one week after 9/11. Thanks a lot, pal.

14 posted on 10/05/2005 9:04:43 AM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

That's quite an unsupported leap to take from the information posted in the article. Specifically:

"After the July attack, the Mozilla Foundation changed procedures to be sure that security fixes were applied to the Spread Firefox server software, but administrators overlooked the TWiki application, which was no longer being used, Schroepfer said. "This one particular piece of software was an oversight and happened to not get updated," he said.

So the crack of the web site in question involved exploiting a known and fixed bug. The patch for which hadn't been applied since the web site wasn't using the software.

15 posted on 10/05/2005 9:25:16 AM PDT by whd23
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To: Golden Eagle
It's just like we said 6 months ago when all the anti-MS people started bragging about FF's market growth ... the more poular it becomes, the more the vulnerabilities will be exploited.

Just wait until Linux actually recieves a noticable marketshare ... the hackers will do the same thing to it.

16 posted on 10/05/2005 9:41:38 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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Of course, some fanatic who hates them will now come accuse me of being their shill, simply for stating the obvious

Don't worry about it, us MS drones have formed a club, we meet every Tuesday.  You bring the cookies this week.  =)

17 posted on 10/05/2005 9:43:19 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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Microsoft was distributing Nimda-infected distro CDs and the microsoft.com site itself was slammed by Nimda in September, 2001

I remember that.  What a fun time that was.  We had just gotten a few dozen new PCs and had to go thru each one to kill off the viruses.

18 posted on 10/05/2005 9:46:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked.

I'm not following you, is this intended as a counterpoint to my statement? My response mentioned nothing about this site in particular and how it was hacked. I simply added a comment relevant to the article about the fact that more of Firefox's flaws are being discovered as it's following increases.
19 posted on 10/05/2005 9:51:08 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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No. Just more of a clarifying statement for others on the thread based on your comment. You mentioned defects being found in Firefox while the article made no mention of same.

I'm not really sure how much the increased marketshare of Firefox is affecting number of defects reported. They get louder press now due to visibility I suppose, but we've been finding stuff since the browser was first released. The code is still fairly new, but I'd say it's become pretty solid overall, at least by my usage. I've been using FF since it was a .2 release. (off and on - some of the early nightlies were horrid.) Relative to other offerings out there, it's not doing too badly as far as features, stability and defects are concerned IMO.

20 posted on 10/05/2005 10:03:39 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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