Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[Canadian Outrage]

I agree that it was a really good move for Jossy to print the letter. That way the Aruban people can read for themselves just a bit of what this family has gone through.

[Canadian Outrage]

Hi NSNR - I so much agree with your post. WHY won't the US leaders do anything for this outstanding family? You bet their actions would be different had it been a politicians daughter. It is repulsive to me also.

And while they are at it, they could very easily REMOVE that scumbag Chavez. Ever get a good look at him in close up photos? Flat faced B@astard!! Double dealing puke. America should NOT need any oil from Venezuela. btw - the Federal Liberals here are tied with the Conservatives in the latest polls. IF we rid this country of this corrupt scum Canada will once again have a harmonious relationship with our greatest ally, the USA. Canada has oil enough for ALL of North America for the next 500 years. We have an open pipeline for Natural Gas now. Why not oil? Time the West got its' act together. Your next election is going to be as crucial as ours.

[Canadian Outrage]

Yes Sheba the VDS's poured NEW cement in their back yard within that first TEN days. And why would Paul VDS "go crazy" at Tim Miller just for wanting to look through the cement? That stinks. Also he asked to search the abandoned well on the property. IF the VDS's were so concerned about getting the heat off them and they had nothing to hide, WHY wouldn't they have consented to a search warrant or just a plain search right away? NOPE, this family never even once offered to even help in a search for Natalee. They have done nothing but interfere and hide.

[Canadian Outrage]

That's a good question, because I recall it being stated that the ground around the Fishermen's Huts was like sinking sand. As you try to dig, it fills in right behind you and you just keep sinking. Whoever placed that cross there KNOWS something and has a guilty conscience. They are attempting to send a message without revealing themselves.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

it is very common to see Crosses in the ground at sites of fatal traffic accidents in the US.....they don't seem to get removed, but are maintained much like flowers in a cemetary. the Cross on the beach might be the equivalent, placed by a tourist or even some local.

[shebacal]

From The Lineup - Fox News - Sunday, Nov 6, 2005:

John Walsh of America's Most Wanted: John is convinced that authorities botched case, they need FBI's help. ALE made hugh mistakes in the beginning.

John: They treated family so poorly. He doesn't think the family will ever get justice. Boycott is only way. It would be a big wakeup call. Boycott would grab purse strings - make them sit up and take notice.

John: It's inhumane how the family has been treated. We should boycott Aruba. They must change investigators and get help from FBI.

John: Unless they find the body, he doesn't think they will get answers. Even if her body is found - there will be no justice for Natalee. All the mistakes gave the 3 guys tickets to freedom.

When asked if he ever has gotten over the loss of his son, John said, "You will always be a parent of a murdered child - there is no closure. You never get over it."

John: Paul Van Der Sloot is a callous, arrogant jerk. He is so arrogant he doesn't realize the family is devastated.

When told that Joran is playing tennis in Holland, John says, "That's just so disgusting. The 3 should have been held in jail. Everybody in the world except ALE knows what happened to Natalee".

When asked if it is a great help to have John Walsh involved in case, Beth said, "It's a hugh relief for John Walsh to come forward".

When asked if cross has been dug up, Beth said she doesn't know. Dave brought cross to attention of authorities, But she doesn't know if authorities looked into it.

When asked if she knows who Joran's friend that has a boat is, Beth said, Yes, "Koon (sp?) is Joran's friend with the boat, which Joran has mentioned". The investigator Jacobs has messed up when Dave asked to have the Koon son picked up and questioned. Jacobs contacted the Koon father first - who could let the son know he was to be questioned.

When Beth was asked if she calls for a boycott, Beth said, "What needs to happen is Aruba needs to deal with its investigatory problems internally. It's not safe on that island".

[hummingbird]

NBC is showing a LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT, a 2 - hour movie that parallels Natalie Holloway's case. Of course, it is "not based on actual events" but it is very obviously taken from the case.

[shebacal]

NBC is showing a LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT

That's interesting, thanks for the tip about the movie.

LAW & ORDER

LAW & ORDER - CRIMINAL INTENT

IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS, PART I & II
10pm 2005-11-06

IN TWO-HOUR EPISODE BOTH SETS OF SERIES DETECTIVES PROBE DISAPPEARANCE OF IOWA TEEN DURING HER TRIP TO NEW YORK

In a two-hour movie featuring both sets of the series' detectives for the first time -- a visiting Iowa teen disappears during her New York City school trip, prompting a massive media frenzy that engulfs Detectives Goren (Vincent D'Onofrio), Eames (Kathryn Erbe), Logan (Chris Noth) and Barek (Annabella Sciorra) when their prime suspect Ethan, guest star Matt O'Leary, is a powerful judge's son.

The case widens when it appears the accused's philandering father Harold, guest star Colm Meaney, is a co-conspirator who acted to protect his son -- and might be a murder suspect himself -- but he is not afraid to punch back hard against the investigators. Jamey Sheridan, Courtney B. Vance and Fred Dalton Thompson ("Law & Order") also star. TV-14

[justche]

have the missing beach bums been mentioned before? Are they arubans? Are they tourists who stick around? What are there names? Who has the report that they are missing? Has anyone interviewed their 'boss'? (Shebacal - not really expecting you to know the answers - would be great if you did, but just curious)

[shebacal]

They have been mentined as working in local surfshop. I don't remember much about it, but will see what I can find. I remember thinking it was more than a coincidence that they disappeared at the same time as Natalee.

[RGVTx]

Beth said, "It's a hugh relief for John Walsh to come forward".

How did that FReeperism get in there?

[RGVTx]

When asked if she knows who Joran's friend that has a boat is, Beth said, Yes, "Koon (sp?) is Joran's friend with the boat, which Joran has mentioned".
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The monkeys have discussed a guy named Koen...a friend of Joran's...with a boat.

[shebacal]

So far I've found these references to the beach bums, mentioned on RWV on July 17, 2005:
We need to know about the two beach bums that worked at a surf shop. I read it was near one of the hotels, which one?
Who were the beach bums?
Were they American, Dutch, Aruban or other?
If they were employed there must be some sort of record. How long did they work there?
Did Natalee have any contact with them?
Did she or classmates visit the surf shop?
Why did the beach bums disappear the same day as Natalee?

[justche]

Thanks, that's very interesting and something {else} that never fully registered.

[deetch]

Koen Gottenbos: Who's your daddy?

[RGVTx]

Daddy Gottenbos?

From SM research:

http://www.island-heritage.com/txt_aruba.html

Your Agents:

Insurance Center Aruba N.V
Lucianitastraat 13, Aruba
Contact: Alex Gottenbos
Tel: (297) 837 771
Fax: (297) 837 772
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

[deetch]

What do you know about this kid? Is his father really Paulus's cousin?

[RGVTx]

That's the word on SM.
One of the posters did some snooping...talked with a local and was told Alexander G is related to the sloots. It sounds like Koen and Joran are cousins...Alexander would be Joran's uncle.

[IIntense]

Dave has been praised for keeping a cool head. I don't fault him for that. It appears he's now reached the point where he sees the Aruban police, justice system as untrustworthy. Whatever he thought about Beth's approach to this island's investigation of the death of their daughter, they may be on the same page now.

Beth had faith in some of the Arubans on the case, but they have dashed her hopes. Dave Holloway most likely has lost all trust in their sincere efforts to come up with real answers.

The "powers that be" in Aruba claim they have done and are doing everything they can to solve the case. Did they, from the gitgo? No. Are they now dedicated to finding out what happened? I don't think so!

They would not allow the FBI to investigate. Should we understand that they don't want a foreign investigative team to override their domain? Certainly, the U.S would not allow Holland to usurp our justice system.

Yet what sticks in the craw here is that Aruba has forfeited their right to claim they have, by anyone's account, properly sought to solve this case.

Unless somebody down there who has clout begins to get honest (and I'm not looking at Paulos!), an American boycott of the island is the only thing I can think of to squeeze them so tightly that somebody will talk. And the blame for that boycott can be attributed to Paulos van der Slooten, the three last known to be with Natalee, van der Straaten, Karen Jannsen, and a few others, if not more. I think they have brought it on themselves and the innocent people of Aruba.

[truthluva]

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