Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry
No, but that's my point! I have NOT seen it! I see what looks like evidence of it and make a conclusion based on that evidence. Just like evolutionist, the difference is I don't call what I believe FACT, and tell people this is absolutely what happen. I leave room for other theories to be explored, eventhough I concluded a global flood did happen, but I'm honest enough to also say it's only ONE conslusion since I can't take people back in time to actually witness the event.
Evolutionist do not allow other views to be introduced. Why, because there is an agenda? An agenda to fool people into thinking this is ALL chance and there is no meaning to any of it, because logically that's what evolution leads too...now evo maybe true, but until I see some monkey turn into a man, or a half an eye, true transitional changes, (Not someone guess of a transitional change) it's all speculation and conjecture.
No,I take my belief on faith, evolution can't do this because science can't do this and still be called science, but evo's really try hard to turn their faith into facts as evidenced by this thread.
Until you answer the quiz, I have no further response. Your sanity is seriously at issue. I'd like to know if I'm dealing with a crazy person before continuing.
wasted placemarker-of-life
Caught up to the end of this crazy thread placemarker.
You qoute the Bible -- that is not Scientific Proof.
It is an opinion. It is belief. It is not subject to scientific scrutiny.
No scientist ever equates theory with fact. The best a scientist can come up with is an Axion, subject to disproval.
Religion can't do that. It posits its beliefs as "Facts." Look at the earlier post to me. One of you gives me Scripture where I am asking for Proof. Scripture is belief.
If you can't debate honestly you really should stay on the sidelines.
First you're ignoring the evidence I presented, second the the Hebrew and Greek word used in the OLD & NEW testeament refer to GLOBAL flood, fissures all over the globe as well as over 270 accounts of this event worldwide...So I have my reasons and evidence to believe, but "angular conformities" as far as I understand, make no sense in this case when the flood lasted less than a year and much of the flood came up from beneath the surface anyway, not neccessarily rain.
Nice opinions!
Is this one of the 270 accounts? And which parts do you believe?
Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the back of Big Turtle. The mud began to grow and grow and grow until it became the size of North America.
Then the woman stepped onto the land. She sprinkled dust into the air and created stars. Then she created the moon and sun.
The Sky Woman gave birth to twin sons. She named one Sapling. He grew to be kind and gentle. She named the other Flint and his heart was as cold as his name. They grew quickly and began filling the earth with their creations.
Sapling created what is good. He made animals that are useful to humans. He made rivers that went two ways and into these he put fish without bones. He made plants that people could eat easily. If he was able to do all the work himself there would be no suffering.
Flint destroyed much of Sapling's work and created all that is bad. He made the rivers flow only in one direction. He put bones in fish and thorns on berry bushes. He created winter, but Sapling gave it life so that it could move to give way to Spring. He created monsters which his brother drove beneath the Earth.
Eventually Sapling and Flint decided to fight till one conquered the other. Neither was able to win at first, but finally Flint was beaten. Because he was a god Flint could not die, so he was forced to live on Big Turtle's back. Occasionally his anger is felt in the form of a volcano.
The Iroquois people hold a great respect for all animals. This is mirrored in their creation myth by the role the animals play. Without the animals' help the Sky Woman may have sunk to the bottom of the sea and earth may not have been created.
XS>Let's see does he (the Pope) believe in and follow the Holy Word of G-d?
Genesis 9:6 G-D> "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man".
XS>No. I think he has a problem with G-d.
T>Maybe one day you'll start reading the New Testament. In the meantime, I hope you eat your steaks well done.
950 posted on 12/18/2005 12:30:25 AM MST by Thalos
G-d, creator of the universe, demanded the death penalty as murder is an affront to G-d himself.
I do read the so-called New Testament daily.
The same G-d who wrote the Old Testament also wrote the New Testament.
Mark 12:29 "The most important one," answered Y'shua, "is this: `Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mk. 12:30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ [Deut. 6:4,5]
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength
Has the Pope told you to ignore the Old Testament?
Has the Pope told you that the Old Testament it is silly old fables?
The same G-d, HaShem, creator of the universe, wrote both the Old Testament and the so-called New Testament.
as there is only one Holy Word of G-d!
and His name is Y'shua!
b'shem Y'shua
So, how long ago do you think the entire world ecology was saved on a wooden boat?
A population of 8 can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. Any actual problems, or just handwringing?
Huh? What has that got to do with anything I said?
What evidence was that then. I saw you name some features, but I missed the evidence. Sorry.
second the the Hebrew and Greek word used in the OLD & NEW testeament refer to GLOBAL flood, fissures all over the globe as well as over 270 accounts of this event worldwide...So I have my reasons and evidence to believe,
I already addressed this in post #1003. You'd expect ancient civilisations to have flood myths. In the light of the effects of events such as Hurricane Katrina on an ancient civilisation which would have no defence and no system of advance warning it would be surprising if ancient cultures *didn't* have myths of floods that killed nearly everyone "in the world". We are talking about people who had no idea of the scale of the world. The OT is pre-occupied entirely with talking about a small area of the Middle East.
but "angular conformities" as far as I understand, make no sense in this case when the flood lasted less than a year and much of the flood came up from beneath the surface anyway, not neccessarily rain.
At least we appear to be in agreement that angular unconformities make no sense in the light of a claim that the geological column was laid down by a global flood a few thousand years ago. However in the light of normal mainstream geology they make perfect sense.
Great handwaving. Just ignore what happens to YEC who get jobs that require them to confront the actual data on a daily basis. I'm sure you'll feel much more comfortable with that.
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Could someone tell me where in the Bible it says the flood waters came from some source other than rain.
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