Skip to comments.Terri Schiavo became victim of Michigan's Dr. Death
Posted on 03/22/2006 10:38:49 AM PST by KevinNuPac
Terri Schiavo became victim of Michigan's Dr. Death
March 21, 2006
He was an author of the macabre an artist who relished in morbid artwork. A failed movie producer who perfected a machine in 1989 called "the Thanatron" meaning "death machine" in Greek which he used the very next year to usher in an era a new era labeled for his moniker, "Dr. Death" inextricably tied to a new culture of death. Approximately 130 people became victims of his death machine including one 27 year-old Floridian woman. Her name: Terri Schindler Schiavo who ultimately became victim to the culture Dr. Death created.
Michigan plays a significant role in what is becoming a reawakening of the Culture of Life. For more than a decade and a half we Michiganians watched as the death culture began to wrap its tentacles around our beliefs, our mores, and our moral fabric. We saw a doctor begin to pedal his somewhat intoxicating message of death without any sense of guilt, death without any sense of responsibility as if the only message in Dr. Jack Kevorkian's mind was "life is tough...let's quit."
Kevorkian literally meant quit permanently. His suggestions were easy to embrace for many of his victims. And I do say victims because he was not doing them some magnanimous favor; he was setting the stage for the millions of Americans who believed what Adolph Hitler believed over sixty years ago. Life can be marginalized, the end of life can be minimalized, and giving the state the ability to punish an innocent by starving that person to death because he, or in this case Terri Schiavo, did not meet someone's unspecified quality-of-life standards.
But those of us in Michigan and many throughout the nation were not alarmed when Dr. Jack Kevorkian began his nearly ten-year trek throughout the Detroit area even though history would soon record him and his new societal message as "convenient," tolerant, and easy. Death and killing oneself became a "right" and not far behind this revelation was the State and its right to now kill you with ease as well.
No alarm bells went off in the life of Terri Schiavo because this young women just in her late twenties had no real reason to fear that as she was celebrating her new marriage and new husband that same husband and this same doctor's new death dance would be embracing a new partner and that new partner would in a few short years would be her.
Terri's new husband never spoke up about his supposed knowledge of Terri's end-of-life desires despite the fact that he knew she was a devout Catholic, and despite the fact that he had every opportunity in the world. He didn't tell the world until the check cleared the bank not even the courtroom judge that the trial to gain a million dollar insurance award, which was supposed to pay for her rehabilitation, should be stopped immediately. He never mentioned that Terri had spoken to him using some of the same words that Dr. Jack Kevorkian would have perhaps used as he lulled his victims into convenient death.
Of course Michael did not do that because the monetary award that he expected was going to be sizable, and his memory had not conveniently woken up yet. But the nation's embrace of Dr. Jack Kevorkian's theories had been awakened. His theories were spreading into the mainstream. State leaders in the legislatures and in serious periodicals were embracing the Culture of Death because, after all, if its good for Michigan, then by golly, it has to be good for the rest of the good ole' USA.
But this "death culture" was not good for Michigan or for the rest of the nation. This Culture of Death was making it easy for Americans to discount life. America was looking at the passage of laws, which would make it convenient for Americans to question whether or not a feeding tube was "heroic measures." Americans were beginning to question just how viable is "viable." In many ways we as a nation were beginning to think about life as if it were a designer suit of clothes or a car. The nation was taking Dr. Jack Kevorkian's death philosophy to its own twisted conclusion.
That conclusion was that a state has the right in America to starve a human being a woman and a sister, a daughter and a niece, a creation of God to death. So for Michael Schiavo to say recently in the New York Post that Terri might be "up there right now praising" him smiling down is truly a travesty of heroic measure. But perhaps he does have part of it right. Terri is up there smiling down although not on him but on all of us who understand the value of life and who have come to rally for the Culture of Life.
Terri is smiling down because there are millions of Americans who have a loved one in a hospital who have the will to live, or a young baby newly born being embraced by family for the first time because the baby's parents made a decision to embrace the Culture of Life. There are young children who are growing up with severe disabilities whose parents decided that Dr. Death and his prognosis would not be allowed into their life decision and that God not man decides what "quality of life" means because he not man created life and he not man decides when life begins and ends.
That is why Terri is smiling because "Terri's Day" and the national effort to create a national Day of Remembrance and a Celebration of the Culture of Life for March 31st (see www.kevinfobbs.com or www.terrisfight.org) draws a symbolic indelible line in the sand. The Culture of Death is being put on the ropes and the nation is fighting back by pledging to embrace the Culture of Life on May 12th by joining the Schindler family in Michigan to deal the death culture a knockout punch.
America is prepared to embrace a deep-seated right and a fundamental gift which begins with the first baby's breath taken and ends with the last whisper taken before death. The gift we cannot ignore is Life and the culture that surrounds it. Pledge your family and yourself to the gift, which is freely given by God. Celebrate the Culture of Life and demand that your state join you as well by passing the Terri's Day Resolution to officially commemorate March 31st as a day of remembrance for Terri and those like her. That is something that Terri and the angels in Heaven just have to be smiling about.
Kevin Fobbs is President of National Urban Policy Action Council (NuPac), a non-partisan civic and citizen-action organization that focuses on taking the politics out of policy to secure urban America's future one neighborhood, one city, and one person at a time. View NuPac on the web at www.nupac.info. Kevin Fobbs is a regular contributing columnist for the Detroit News. He is also the daily host of The Kevin Fobbs Show on News Talk WDTK - 1400 AM in Detroit. Listen to The Kevin Fobbs Show online at www.wdtkam.com daily 2-3 p.m., and call in toll-free nationwide to make your opinion count at 800-923-WDTK(9385)
© Copyright 2006 by Kevin Fobbs http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/fobbs/060321
Why stop the trial? No one, at that time, knew the true extent of the brain damage and whether or not some recovery was possible.
Wow! Ok. I'm on the opposite side of this deal. I live in FL - only 10 minutes from the nursing home Terri was in. I lived with this story for 15 years. Most of you outside the state only heard snippets here and there.
I'd like to try to put something in perspective here. We are mostly Christians on this site, or we believe in some higher power/being, including myself. First, there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that Terri's husband was cruel to Terri in anyway at any time. I know a lot of you are going to get angry at that statement because of all the "talk" that came out at the end of Terri's life. Let me tell you - no one said a word about any mistreatment until the doctors gave the final word that Terri had irreversible brain damage.
Now, for some reason, we all believe that human life is the most precious of life on this planet. I disagree. I believe that all life is precious and no one or nothing's life is more important than another. I also know that, from the reports, it took the response team almost 7 minutes to reach Terri after she collapsed. There was not 45 minutes or over an hour that elapsed before Michael called the 911. Has anyone thought that perhaps God wanted Terri to join him then? If it had not been for medical intervention, Terri would have died that day of the accident and she would have been with God in heaven. Right? We, people, intervened and stopped it because we somehow believe that we can "fix" things. that we are supposed to save all and not let God do his thing. For the 1st 5 years Michael did everything he could. He got her care, he got experimental treatments for Terri, and the families were getting along. Then, Michael got the bad news that there was no hope for Terri and all hell broke loose.
I am a firm believer in the Constitution and I have been over the 14th amendment repeatedly. Terri was rightfully represented in court on many, many occasions. Before everyone gets ticked off at me, please read the Florida constitution's 14th amendment. Terri was never denied any care, she was never denied the right to pursue happiness and her husband does, under FL law, have the final word in cases like this.
This was not a matter of being cruel and starving a woman to death. Terri followed the natural course of dying when the tubes were removed. Her body was meant to die without the intervention. God wanted her. He had always wanted her. Humans were the ones that didn't want to let her go. Humans weren't thinking about what was best for Terri. The only person who thought about that was Michael. He didn't give her a drug to kill her. He let the natural course of life and death occur. Anyone who knows about death, watching someone they love die, they know that a week or two before they die they lose their appetite, they don't drink, they go in and out of lucidness. Why do humans think that we have to intervene, especially when there was no hope? It is because we are compassionate and we can't stand to lose the life of those we love. We are mortal. We don't understand why we have to live without this warm, loving soul. But whose wish matters most - ours or God's?
When we have our beloved dog or cat suffering from diabetes or some other terminal illness, when they can't have any life than that of being attached to tubes for the rest of their lives, we do what we call "humane". We put them down so they don't suffer. Why is this ok for our beloved pets, our four-legged soul mates but it's not ok for people? Why and when did we become so important and above everything else in this life?
I heard the argument that we wouldn't starve an animal to death so why were we doing that to Terri? We didn't. We let nature do what it was meant to do for 15 very long and exhausting years. Many people in the care of hospitals, hospice, etc. all end their lives this way. It is called a natural progression to death and we all will face it.
I suggest that until you are in that situation, you do not pass judgment. I am proud of what our court system did. We do not need our judges legislating from the bench. Oh, the world wanted the judges to step up to the plate but what if they had? What if judges began to legislate from the bench on everything and every issue? We can't allow that no matter how emotional we are about an issue. We must let the laws do what they were put into place to do. If we don't like the laws, then change them.
Sorry, doesn't fly.
Terri was not dying, therefore, she had to be murdered.
Terr's case is worse than Dred Scott. Convicted felons sitting on death row have more rights than Terri had.
If you are truly interested, do a google search using Terri Schiavo and Dred Scott.
Don't waste your time trying to reason with these people.
Terri wasn't allowed to die. She was murdered because she was refusing to die. She fought hard to stay alive, but after thirteen days, she succumbed to the torture.
My uncles fought in WWII against the practices being implemented here and now. It was wrong when the Nazis did it, and it's wrong now. Murder will always be wrong. The Nazis had pretty words for it too, but it was ugly, and it still is.
All the evidence of abuse that you claim to be unaware of is readily available. Try a google search. You can also find photos of what starvation and dehydration does to a body. It's not the euphoria that Terri's murderers claim it to be.
The extermination of disabled people is not God's will. He said "Thou shalt not murder." He did not make any exception for vulnerable people.
Ignore the troll. Everybody else has since his confession.
Why don't you ping me directly?
I'm still waiting on an apology from who you pinged.
No, everyone else has not. And I confessed to nothing, shrew.
You confessed to anti-freeping. Now go away.
You will not get an apology from me for your behavior. You confessed to anti-freeping, and joined with others in entering my name at an anti-freeper site. You were told to keep this off Free Republic. Now drop it.
What the heck does that mean? Sounds awfully like being accused of being "counter revolutionary" in an Article 58 trial.
Have you forgotten the warning Jim posted to YOU on this thread?
Or are you once again needing a remedial course in reading comprehension?
Yes, you did. Now take your anti-freeping to your other site.
Go to hell.
Did you forget which site you were posting to? This isn't the one that encourages gutter talk.
Your talk is nothing but nasty vitriol. Quite gutter-like if you ask me.
Wouldn't it be funny if that thread was restored, and everybody could see the confession again?
You made a great post. Blessings to you.
Congrats, the thread has been moved to the SBR.
Enjoy wallowing in your perpetual bitterness on this thread, but few people will see it now.
I've noticed how your presence has that effect. I'm not the only one who's noticed your anti-freeping activities.
Exactly. It is all on record.
Also, the warning was to EVERYONE (me included) on that thread, not just to an individual. However, we all know that you, Bykrbayb, would never participate in Anti-Freeping.
Everyone knows that facts.
Just what you and your buddies wanted.
Have a good night. I am staying off this thread from here out.
According to public testimony Michael was awakened by a thud at 4:30-5:00am Call Came in at 5:40am as per St Pete Police Incident sheet. 5:52 Paramedics arrive.
It matters not what we think, the inconsistencies in Michaels own words and his actions speak volumes. People who lie do so for their own selfish purpose. If you have followed this story for 15 years you would know.
Yes legally he had say,and legally he bullied his desires for the final outcome. His lawyer helped change the Florida law about feeding tubes in order to accomplish his own goals.
If you are a true Christian you would know that God IS in control and has used this case for HIS purpose. GOD allows us to make choices. As a mother I have compassion for the Shindlers. I also have compassion for a spouses rights, but why was Micheal so selfish? He was cruel. Why was she denied being taken out in the sunshine? Answer; because he chose to do it.
I watched my own Mother die. She was not lucid, yet we maintained her hydrated until her last breath. There was no reason to remove Terri's hydration except to cause her death. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not understand? This is killing, and is devaluing life. We allow abortion on demand and now this, as a country we are damned. Sorry but Terri wasn't represented well in court either and she for the last time WASN'T dieing.
Great post. Blessings to you.
Yes, I pointed out the above many times myself.
In light of the fact that he admitted it, I see no reason to retract my accusation. I place my loyalty in truth. I hoped that when you discovered the truth you'd follow it. I guess it all depends on where one places their loyalty.
Great post, lula! Thanks for the ping!
I am staying off this thread from here out.
great post thanks.
You have a screwy way of looking at things and an accusatory nature when confronted with a differing point of view, which is something that belongs on DU more than FR.
Getting back to topic.
Terri, God love her, was murdered. Say it loud, say it clear until people understand that withholding food and water from a human being until their skin cracks and their tongue swells is cold blooded, torturous murder. But in our abortion-loving society, it's almost understandable that there are people, even here, who will condone this kind of vicious behavior and not see it as being wrong. God help and love them because it may just happen to them one day.
if we had not intervened and placed a feeding tube in her, she would have died - period.
Why is removing someone from a respirator at the end of life considered ok but removing a feeding tube isn't? Isn't air just as important to food when it comes down to "living"? They are both artificial means of life support.
she was never denied due process. She couldn't think for herself, she couldn't speak for herself, she couldn't appear in court. Her family, her attorney, everyone responsible for Terri had their day in court for her. Terri was represented and she had many, many, many court hearings held on her behalf.
Also, I am up at the nursing home four nights a week helping to feed my grandma who has alzheimers, should I just stop feeding her?
he DID take her out in the sunshine. there are many pictures of Terri in her wheelchair, head lopping to one side, outside, in the sun, and Michael standing there with her. You're only looking at what you want to see. I hope my husband has as much love and respect for me to not allow me to live like this when there is no chance in He*^ that I will recover. Let me go and move on with your life. I wouldn't want to be kept alive like this. Would you?
That is fine, everyone is different. You can be starved to death if you like, however, I don't know why you just don't have your husband shoot you and get it over with, but hey, it is YOUR decision. However, Terri did not have a will, Michael's claims that she would have wanted to die did not come out until YEARS later. It was cruel what they did to her and to her parents. Michael could have moved on with his life and given Terri back to her parents. He was to evil to allow that to happen.
So, "killing" someone by cutting off their air supply is not the same as "killing" someone by removing food? That's like saying "killing" someone by a bullet to the heart is better than killing someone by slicing their arm and letting them bleed to death. They are both "killing" someone - right? Why is it more humane to remove air? Because it's a quick -er death? Why can't we just give the one we love a shot. Hold them in our arms and let them go in peace? No pain. No suffering. We're playing God anyway by removing the respirator or feeding tube? What's the difference?
Your grandmother, God bless her, can function on her own. She may not be mentally there but she does not need life support to keep her alive. Does she have tubes coming our of every angle of her? If removed from the tubes, would she die? In Terri's case, the answer was yes. She could not eat on her own, she could not swallow, and more than 2/3 of her brain was gone. Why can't anyone see that this was the right thing for her? 15 years like this. I love my mom but if anything happened to her like this I wouldn't want her placed in a bed for 15 years "living" like this. This isn't living. This is being kept alive for loving, but selfish reasons.
God spoke here. She's an angel now. It's where she should have been 15 years ago.
Terri didn't know what was happening to her, anyway. That was not meant to sound cold and callous. It was the truth.
Be that as it may, the judges have no right to legislate from the bench. You can't have them legislate for one thing like this and then tell them they can't in another instance. This was an emotional issue but you can't defy the laws based on emotion. You can change the law based on emotion and fact but a judge cannot decide a case on emotion. If the American people don't like the laws, have them change them - properly. Write your congressmen, your senators, your legislators. Tell them what you think. If you feel this strongly about it, lobby for the change. The Consitution worked here, and in that respect, that was a beautiful thing. It's one reason I love this country.
No matter what anyone says, it will never be okay to starve someone to death for weeks. It just never will.
Terri's "brain" was a non-functioning mass of rotting GOO .. .
she was dead for years ...
she was as sentient as a sea sponge
Terri's "brain" was a non-functioning mass of rotting GOO .. .
she was dead for years ... she was as sentient as a sea sponge
I just read this bilge!!
Terri was a live until they murdered her. She suffered greatly from the time of her so called accident at the hands of her money grubbing husband. May he Rot in Hell along with Judge Greer and the attorney from hell. I still
won't forget how she was starved to death and not allowed even water. It made no sense then and still doesn't when her own parents wanted to care for her and were not allowed to do so. We don't allow our pets to die that way, in fact, we'd be hauled into court for cruelty. Very very sad.
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